3 of the top 4 Corsi teams in the league are in the Final Four.

[SharksFan1992]

I’m genuinely shocked that teams that have better puck possession and shoot towards the net more generally win more than teams with poor puck possession. Shocked I tells ya.

Say it louder so hopefully the Sharks learn they have to actually shoot on the PP.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

You're using a sample size of 2 to make a case for how predictive a statistic is?

I love how some of the biggest fans of certain stats.... Don't seem to understand sampling which kind of makes it sound like they don't get stats.

 

[ijuka]

Last season the 2nd best and 3rd best teams met in the Final.

If there's a rematch this year, it will again be a meeting between the 2nd best and 3rd best team.

Crazy how predictive this stat continues to be.

The top non-corsi teams like Washington Capitals and Winnipeg Jets ended up mostly being frauds. It's interesting isn't it.

 

[ijuka]

You're using a sample size of 2 to make a case for how predictive a statistic is?

The sample size is not 2. The sample size is the entire league / the entire playoffs.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

I’m genuinely shocked that teams that have better puck possession and shoot towards the net more generally win more than teams with poor puck possession. Shocked I tells ya.

Thank God for analytics because I don't think anyone would have ever predicted these 4 teams making it to the conference finals if it weren't for advanced stats telling us how good they are. I certainly thought all four sucked before I looked up their Corsi ranking.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

The sample size is not 2. The sample size is the entire league / the entire playoffs.

For 2 playoffs

 

[ijuka]

For 2 playoffs

Then that's 2 populations, not 2 samples.

 

[Bank Shot]

Thank God for analytics because I don't think anyone would have ever predicted these 4 teams making it to the conference finals if it weren't for advanced stats telling us how good they are. I certainly thought all four sucked before I looked up their Corsi ranking.

Lofs of pundits were picking Washington and Vegas.

And last year lots of people thought Vancouver was legit.

Analytics seems to have better predictive power than standings when it comes to the playoffs.

 

[Elvs]

Edmonton and Florida are two of the best teams in the league? Color me surprised.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Colorado’s the odd one out aren’t they?.

#6. Kings were #2.

 

[WATTAGE4451]

Well, tongue in cheek.

I know that Corisi is predictive of wins and playoff wins over large samples because regression models consistently demonstrate it.

I also know it's not a guarentee. There have obviously been cup winners that weren't top of charts in Corsi.

Hockey is so inherently random, there is no one thing that perfectly predicts success. Too much luck involved.

Corsi is just a way of making shots look fancy. Grantes corsi includes blocked shots, but at the end of the day- its little more than shots on goal vs opponent shots on goal i bet shots on goal also has a high correlation to victory.

It will have exceptions but its not that radical of a concept.

 

[PenguinSuitedUp]

Thank God for analytics because I don't think anyone would have ever predicted these 4 teams making it to the conference finals if it weren't for advanced stats telling us how good they are. I certainly thought all four sucked before I looked up their Corsi ranking.

This is such a stupid post. The point of analytics is to make anecdotal evidence measurable. That’s the point the OP is making, and it’s a good one.

I will never understand people who shit on statistical analysis because they don’t have the patience or capability to understand it.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Edmonton regularly had some of the worst analytics pre-Knob.

Pretty sure this is wrong, they were strong analytically under Woodcroft as well.

 

[Connor McConnor]

Pretty sure this is wrong, they were strong analytically under Woodcroft as well.

His last year they were decent (around 6-8) but before that they were around 12-16. That jumped up to top 3 during Knob. Also, just as someone who watches every game, the team was nowhere near as good defensively. It was a lot more run and gun with good special teams.

 

[PuckG]

This is such a stupid post. The point of analytics is to make anecdotal evidence measurable. That’s the point the OP is making, and it’s a good one.

I will never understand people who shit on statistical analysis because they don’t have the patience or capability to understand it.

Some people refuse to read/understand and automatically revert to their independent “eye test” as if it’s more meaningful than objective data. Boggles my mind.

 

[Edmonton East]

This is such a stupid post. The point of analytics is to make anecdotal evidence measurable. That’s the point the OP is making, and it’s a good one.

I will never understand people who shit on statistical analysis because they don’t have the patience or capability to understand it.

Some people refuse to read/understand and automatically revert to their independent “eye test” as if it’s more meaningful than objective data. Boggles my mind.

Nah, people like yourselves that blindly cherry pick "advanced" stats without context when they support your argument are the problem and a detriment to the analytics community. The same type of people that fanboyed over the Chayka Coyotes for YEARS.

Let's take this silly thread as a great example. It's pathetically misleading. Sure, 3 of top 4 Corsi teams are in finals....who would have thought generally having more shot attempts is better than less??? Duh. But does it matter THAT much? Is it the end all be all? Is it that predictive? Nope.

The Canes are far and away the top Corsi team. They are a fraud and not remotely competitive. Is that pro your silly argument? How about that the #3 and #5 teams in Corsi lost in the 1st round? Or that the #6, 7, 8, 10, and 11 teams MISSED THE PLAYOFFS ALL TOGETHER??

This thread is dumb. Objective data my ass. Context is everything.

 

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Wow Pittsburgh was a top 10 corsi team. Goaltending was truly brutal i guess.

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

The top non-corsi teams like Washington Capitals and Winnipeg Jets ended up mostly being frauds. It's interesting isn't it.

I noticed they had surprisingly poor cup odds going into the playoffs too.

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Everyone's noticed this it seems and its no longer controversial but conventional wisdom. Win even strength posession battle, have good special teams, hope your goalie stands on his head and steals a couple games / doesn't fold. That's the cup blueprint.

 

[Golden_Jet]

So a perimeter team launching pucks into shin pads all night would be considered potentially an elite corsi team? I don't buy it.

What are these teams ranking by high danger chances for and against? I bet those are all top 5

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HDCF none in the final 4
HDCA least, none in final 4.

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[PuckG]

Nah, people like yourselves that blindly cherry pick "advanced" stats without context when they support your argument are the problem and a detriment to the analytics community. The same type of people that fanboyed over the Chayka Coyotes for YEARS.

Let's take this silly thread as a great example. It's pathetically misleading. Sure, 3 of top 4 Corsi teams are in finals....who would have thought generally having more shot attempts is better than less??? Duh. But does it matter THAT much? Is it the end all be all? Is it that predictive? Nope.

The Canes are far and away the top Corsi team. They are a fraud and not remotely competitive. Is that pro your silly argument? How about that the #3 and #5 teams in Corsi lost in the 1st round? Or that the #6, 7, 8, 10, and 11 teams MISSED THE PLAYOFFS ALL TOGETHER??

This thread is dumb. Objective data my ass. Context is everything.

Advanced stats aren’t blind though. They paint a picture of what is happening in front of you and are more predictive of future events than your feelings are. None of this is void of context.

Once again, your inability to comprehend and make use of that information is a fault of YOURS - and lashing out because of it is exactly what that poster was saying.

Thank you for proving the point.

 

[Edmonton East]

Nah, people like yourselves that blindly cherry pick "advanced" stats without context when they support your argument are the problem and a detriment to the analytics community. The same type of people that fanboyed over the Chayka Coyotes for YEARS.

Let's take this silly thread as a great example. It's pathetically misleading. Sure, 3 of top 4 Corsi teams are in finals....who would have thought generally having more shot attempts is better than less??? Duh. But does it matter THAT much? Is it the end all be all? Is it that predictive? Nope.

The Canes are far and away the top Corsi team. They are a fraud and not remotely competitive. Is that pro your silly argument? How about that the #3 and #5 teams in Corsi lost in the 1st round? Or that the #6, 7, 8, 10, and 11 teams MISSED THE PLAYOFFS ALL TOGETHER??

This thread is dumb. Objective data my ass. Context is everything.

Going further, my VERY advanced calculations (because I'm sooooo smart) tell me a whopping 42% of the top 12 Corsi teams missed the playoffs entirely this season. And, again, the team that is far and away #1 is getting its teeth kicked in yet again. Plus the #29 team in Corsi was wayyyy more competitive vs the Panthers than the #1 team.

Last year: 33%
2022: 33% (Cup winner #22 in Corsi. ECF/WCF #3 in Corsi torched #1, #22 beat #10)

When do the Corsi bros award the Carolina Hurricanes their dynasty Cup this year? I wanna be at the ceremony. 3 straight years of leading the league in Corsi by a mile and they haven't even sniffed a Cup finals appearance. Corsi on its own doesn't mean jackshit. It simply provides a minimum threshold teams GENERALLY need to be above to have a shot at the Cup (unless you have an elite goalie outlier and/or get impact roster players late via acquisition or return from injury). And it's ridiculous people needed some "advanced" stat to tell them that generally having more shot attempts than the other team is better than less. What a revelation. Yet people pat themselves on the back like they are geniuses.

A way more interesting convo would be why certain teams' actual success consistently drastically underperform their Corsi ranking year after year after year. Looking at you Canes, my Devs, Pens, Flames, etc. I already have my answers, but they involve the sin of actually watching the teams play, understanding playoff hockey, and then supplementing that with statistical analysis. Hint: it isn't simply goaltending.

 

[PuckG]

Going further, my VERY advanced calculations (because I'm sooooo smart) tell me a whopping 42% of the top 12 Corsi teams missed the playoffs entirely this season. And, again, the team that is far and away #1 is getting its teeth kicked in yet again. Plus the #29 team in Corsi was wayyyy more competitive vs the Panthers than the #1 team.

Last year: 33%
2022: 33% (Cup winner #22 in Corsi. ECF/WCF #3 in Corsi torched #1, #22 beat #10)

When do the Corsi bros award the Carolina Hurricanes their dynasty Cup this year? I wanna be at the ceremony. 3 straight years of leading the league in Corsi by a mile and they haven't even sniffed a Cup finals appearance. Corsi on its own doesn't mean jackshit. It simply provides a minimum threshold teams GENERALLY need to be above to have a shot at the Cup (unless you have an elite goalie outlier and/or get impact roster players late via acquisition or return from injury). And it's ridiculous people needed some "advanced" stat to tell them that generally having more shot attempts than the other team is better than less. What a revelation. Yet people pat themselves on the back like they are geniuses.

The way more interesting convo would be why certain teams' actual success consistently drastically underperform their Corsi ranking year after year after year. Looking at you Canes, my Devs, Pens, Flames, etc. I already have my answers, but they involve the sin of actually watching the teams play, understanding playoff hockey, and then supplementing that with statistical analysis. Hint: it isn't simply goaltending.

Very few people are arguing that only Corsi is useful in this conversation. It is one of many stats that can help paint a picture.

 

[rboomercat90]

Turns out, those big fat loudmouths who love to yell "shoot it!" at games were right all along

Yes, but if the players aren’t willing to listen then it really doesn’t matter what the fans know.

 

[Edmonton East]

Very few people are arguing that only Corsi is useful in this conversation. It is one of many stats that can help paint a picture.

Nah, you and some other Corsi bros were doing the typical "eye test" mockery nonsense. As if those people are too stupid to understand big brain "analytics" like shot attempts. That's the problem. And this thread, including the title, framed the data in a way that was completely disingenuous and misleading...as I already proved. But people that are lazy and/or fake "smart" guys will buy it I guess.

 

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La Kings I didn't realize they would be up there.