GDT: 3/30/25 Utah @ Hawks 3pm CHSN

[Mrfenn92]

 

[Mrfenn92]

 

[Mrfenn92]

Utah lines 32-29-12

Keller Cooley Guenther
Schmaltz Hayton Yamamoto
Crouse McBain Doan
Kerfoot Bjustad Stenlund

Sergachev Marino
Cole Durzi
Maatta Kesserling
De Simone Bortuzzo

Vejmelka Villata

Injured: O’Brien Ingram



Chicago lines 21-43-9

Donato Bedard Mikheyev
Teravainen Nazar Bertuzzi
Moore Veleno Foligno
Slaggert Reichel Maroon
Kurashev

Vlasic Leshunov
Kaiser Rinzel
Korchinski Murphy
Del Mastro
Brodie Crevier
Martinez DTD

Soderblom
Knight

Injured: Dickinson Weber Brossoit Dach

 

[vegarover]

Not another afternoon game ...

 

[hawksfan50]

Is Velemo so goidxatcdraws that Moore has to play LW?

 

[vegarover]

Hawks are 1-2 vs. the Hockey Club this season. Hockey Club was also in the playoff race up until the Blues went on a 9-game winning streak. So both teams not really having anything to play for.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Feels like a 4-2 win.

 

[Kevin Musto]

Must watch hockey

 

[vegarover]

Is Velemo so goidxatcdraws that Moore has to play LW?

goidxatcdraws? Oof, somebody started drinking early this morning.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Gonna be a good Sunday of sports

Sox, cubs and hawks

 

[WarriorofTime]

Can’t believe the hawks are burning Levshunov’s first year of ELC for little reason. This organization’s asset management leaves a lot to be desired.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

Can’t believe the hawks are burning Levshunov’s first year of ELC for little reason. This organization’s asset management leaves a lot to be desired.

they don't seem to care about it at all, started with Reichel and Korchinski where it probably will not matter but it might with one of these players if they play really well

 

[WarriorofTime]

they don't seem to care about it at all, started with Reichel and Korchinski where it probably will not matter but it might with one of these players if they play really well

Drives me bonkers. I want to know who is the voice of reason in the front office to be say things like "hey guys, maybe in three years when Colton Dach is 26 and getting passed around the League, we won't look back at this moment and say 'we have too many 2nd round picks already!'"

The two biggest benefits of the draft are (a) potentially getting a superstar and (b) team control. Especially if a player is not a superstar, team control is huge. Maybe Hawks are banking on Levshunov signing an 8-year extension after a first level breakthrough, right before a second breakthrough and you get a great value longterm deal (Jack Hughes and Tim Stutzle are great recent examples here)... but there are a lot of other possibilities that could happen... like for one, he just doesn't sign a deal that could cost him like $8 million in total contract value if he thinks he is poised for a big breakout.

 

[vegarover]

Can’t believe the hawks are burning Levshunov’s first year of ELC for little reason. This organization’s asset management leaves a lot to be desired.

I don't know why people are even complaining about this. Sliding his contract means he's more likely to have a breakout season that extra year and cost more money to re-sign. Let it burn I say.

 

[WarriorofTime]

I don't know why people are even complaining about this. Sliding his contract means he's more likely to have a breakout season that extra year and cost more money to re-sign. Let it burn I say.

or (1) the Hawks give a guy an 8-year extension that they shouldn't have because he ends up being not that good and now they have a bad contract on the books and more limited flexibility due to it, (2) or he sees what other young DMen sign for in the next couple years and doesn't sign for a lower value, and instead takes a bridge deal (a) which leads to an even bigger number on the big extension or (b) leads him to a period where he's close to UFA and can leverage his way out if he didn't want to stay in Chicago out.

All in addition to potential for (1) getting worse value in 2027-28 when he could have been on an ELC and the Hawks are hopefully more competitive and (2) worse value in 2035-36 when the Hawks are hopefully firmly in a Cup contending window and Levshunov is 30 years old and possibly right at his peak.

 

[Giovi]

Gonna be a good Sunday of sports

Sox, cubs and hawks

Time shifting the Hawks so I can watch the PGA.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Time shifting the Hawks so I can watch the PGA.

Not a bad option at all

 

[Taze em]

Tell me exactly what season Levshunov is going to pop, and we can work backwards to make the perfect plan. No one can accurately tell us that.

We DO know where the salary cap is going. Get them signed earlier. The earlier the better.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

Drives me bonkers. I want to know who is the voice of reason in the front office to be say things like "hey guys, maybe in three years when Colton Dach is 26 and getting passed around the League, we won't look back at this moment and say 'we have too many 2nd round picks already!'"

The two biggest benefits of the draft are (a) potentially getting a superstar and (b) team control. Especially if a player is not a superstar, team control is huge. Maybe Hawks are banking on Levshunov signing an 8-year extension after a first level breakthrough, right before a second breakthrough and you get a great value longterm deal (Jack Hughes and Tim Stutzle are great recent examples here)... but there are a lot of other possibilities that could happen... like for one, he just doesn't sign a deal that could cost him like $8 million in total contract value if he thinks he is poised for a big breakout.

yeah you're right, the math is pretty straight forward that the elc slide is more valuable, you're talking an extra year at league minimum regardless, the surplus value gets larger the better the player is and the further away from fair value the aav is, levshunov on a much better team in 3 years making league min is more valuable than burning a year in a tank year

 

[vegarover]

or (1) the Hawks give a guy an 8-year extension that they shouldn't have because he ends up being not that good and now they have a bad contract on the books and more limited flexibility due to it, (2) or he sees what other young DMen sign for in the next couple years and doesn't sign for a lower value, and instead takes a bridge deal (a) which leads to an even bigger number on the big extension or (b) leads him to a period where he's close to UFA and can leverage his way out if he didn't want to stay in Chicago out.

All in addition to potential for (1) getting worse value in 2027-28 when he could have been on an ELC and the Hawks are hopefully more competitive and (2) worse value in 2035-36 when the Hawks are hopefully firmly in a Cup contending window and Levshunov is 30 years old and possibly right at his peak.

I disagree.

 

[TheFridge]

yeah you're right, the math is pretty straight forward that the elc slide is more valuable, you're talking an extra year at league minimum regardless, the surplus value gets larger the better the player is and the further away from fair value the aav is, levshunov on a much better team in 3 years making league min is more valuable than burning a year in a tank year

It is absolutely not.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

It is absolutely not.

it is

 

[TheFridge]

it is

No offense man, but if you can't comprehend that surplus contract value matters more when the Hawks are capped out vs not, there isn't any kind of conversation that can be had.

You're right that Levshunov making 925k three years from now is more valuable than him making 5M, but him making 5M 3 years from now is way, way more valuable than him making 8-10M 4 years from now. That's the point.

You're ignoring the big picture just to say that 925k > 5M but that's not the point.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

No offense man, but if you can't comprehend that surplus contract value matters more when the Hawks are capped out vs not, there isn't any kind of conversation that can be had.

You're right that Levshunov making 925k three years from now is more valuable than him making 5M, but him making 5M 3 years from now is way, way more valuable than him making 8-10M 4 years from now. That's the point.

You're ignoring the big picture just to say that 925k > 5M but that's not the point.

isn't this an argument for sliding elcs on good players as much as possible when the team is as bad as it is right now? Levshunov at 925k is worth WAY more to the Hawks when they're competing for playoffs than when they're competing for last place

 

[TheFridge]

isn't this an argument for sliding elcs on good players as much as possible when the team is as bad as it is right now?

Maximizing ELC years is contender strategy. Does this team look like they're contending?

Your idea is that, the Hawks are going to be capped out and contending in the third year of Lev's contract (assuming it slid, and they didn't burn the year), so that third year becomes really valuable.

But that's not the play and that's not the right math. Why would you want to negotiate that second contract after Lev's had presumably a couple very good years and his best year to date on a contending team? Do you want him earning 10M a year on his second deal, just to "take advantage" of one year of 925k? Or would you rather get to his second contract quicker, make a bet that he's going to keep getting better, and have him on a team friendly 5-6M deal through his mid-20s?