GDT: 3/23/25 Philly @ Chicago 2pm CHSN

[Mrfenn92]

Good win for the boys

 

[TheFridge]

It does matter. Lots of guys can do exactly what he does. I think he’ll stick around but good teams have guys that do exactly what he does, but better. And chip in more.

He has 7 points in 38 career games. If Slaggert is giving you 15-20 points a year, playing exactly the way he does, he's not going to have any issue carving out a role on good teams. Not every guy needs to score, especially in a 4th line role. Winning your minutes, keeping the other team playing defense and being effective on the PK are all plenty valuable as a role player.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Ziggy says Malaga's GDT's are on the right and Fenn's on the left:


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[Muffinalt]

Fun game.

I like Bedard on the wing so far.

 

[Deputy McRizzy]

He has 7 points in 38 career games. If Slaggert is giving you 15-20 points a year, playing exactly the way he does, he's not going to have any issue carving out a role on good teams. Not every guy needs to score, especially in a 4th line role. Winning your minutes, keeping the other team playing defense and being effective on the PK are all plenty valuable as a role player.

He needs to become an elite PKer if he’s going to stick as a 4th liner on a good team, like Frolik level of elite during the Cup years.

 

[TLEH]

He has 7 points in 38 career games. If Slaggert is giving you 15-20 points a year, playing exactly the way he does, he's not going to have any issue carving out a role on good teams. Not every guy needs to score, especially in a 4th line role. Winning your minutes, keeping the other team playing defense and being effective on the PK are all plenty valuable as a role player.

He plays 13 minutes and has two goals and an assist in 20+ games. He doesn’t sustain zone time well enough. I like his tenacity and skating but I don’t think he’s really playing good enough to sit there and say he needs to be on the roster next year. He could easily find himself back in the AHL again on one of the worst forward groups in the league.

 

[giza]

Slaggert will be 3rd or 4th line fodder his whole career. I could easily see him on a line with Mikyayev and Dickinson next year.....he would get more points playing with those two.

 

[statswatcher]

He plays 13 minutes and has two goals and an assist in 20+ games. He doesn’t sustain zone time well enough. I like his tenacity and skating but I don’t think he’s really playing good enough to sit there and say he needs to be on the roster next year. He could easily find himself back in the AHL again on one of the worst forward groups in the league.

depending on exactly how you want to count it, i'd say there are at least 5 forward positions up for grabs this upcoming training camp. bedard, nazar, tt, bert, mikheyev, foligno, and dickinson are locks for one reason or another. think you'd be hard pressed to name 5 other forwards better than slaggert in this system by october. maybe if everything goes right and you see them resign donato, draft a blue chip forward prospect who can step right in, sign a marquee free agent, *and* two other forwards take a spot in front of him, but that's a lot to go right.

 

[BobbyJet]

veleno has been decent for the hawks since the trade

I reserved judgement on Veleno after he was chastised here before he played a single game in Chicago.... and after seeing him for a few games, I don't mind what I see so far.

As for Slaggert, IMO, he needs to be stronger on the puck. He plays too small.

 

[x Tame Impala]

I reserved judgement on Veleno after he was chastised here before he played a single game in Chicago.... and after seeing him for a few games, I don't mind what I see so far.

There’s too many forwards like him on this crappy team. Teuvo and Bertuzzi barely move the needle for me. I’m getting very bored evaluating these at best bottom 9 players who amount to a whole lot of nothing. It’s been a long time since the dynasty years and I think we can forget what truly talented/valuable players are supposed to look like.

In EA NHL terms…let’s say Bedard is an 85 OVR, our best remaining forwards are maybe 82’s OVR while having most of these guys being in the mid-low 70’s. This roster freaking stinks man. Prognosticating out guys like Valeno/Slaggert/etc…is of no interest to me. We’ve got to draft another great forward this upcoming draft and in 2026 (with a top 10 pick) and sign a great UFA or two.

 

[BobbyJet]

There’s too many forwards like him on this crappy team. Teuvo and Bertuzzi barely move the needle for me. I’m getting very bored evaluating these at best bottom 9 players who amount to a whole lot of nothing. It’s been a long time since the dynasty years and I think we can forget what truly talented/valuable players are supposed to look like.

In EA NHL terms…let’s say Bedard is an 85 OVR, our best remaining forwards are maybe 82’s OVR while having most of these guys being in the mid-low 70’s. This roster freaking stinks man. Prognosticating out guys like Valeno/Slaggert/etc…is of no interest to me. We’ve got to draft another great forward this upcoming draft and in 2026 (with a top 10 pick) and sign a great UFA or two.

Well yeah, but this isn't fantasy hockey - grooming the bottom six is also very important, especially if Hawks ever make the playoffs.

 

[Backyard Hockey]

Good win. Nice to see the Hawks play against a garbage team that has already phoned it in for the offseason!

 

[Toews2Bickell]

There’s too many forwards like him on this crappy team. Teuvo and Bertuzzi barely move the needle for me. I’m getting very bored evaluating these at best bottom 9 players who amount to a whole lot of nothing. It’s been a long time since the dynasty years and I think we can forget what truly talented/valuable players are supposed to look like.

In EA NHL terms…let’s say Bedard is an 85 OVR, our best remaining forwards are maybe 82’s OVR while having most of these guys being in the mid-low 70’s. This roster freaking stinks man. Prognosticating out guys like Valeno/Slaggert/etc…is of no interest to me. We’ve got to draft another great forward this upcoming draft and in 2026 (with a top 10 pick) and sign a great UFA or two.

your last point is key, Bedard is the only top 10 pick in the system at forward...Nazar on a cup team probably projects as more of a middle 6 forward, good one but not a blue chip player...Misa and McKenna would change things a lot, and a guy like Marner...they're probably doing OK at defense but KK needs to pan out as a top 10 caliber player

 

[Chuck Testa]

your last point is key, Bedard is the only top 10 pick in the system at forward...Nazar on a cup team probably projects as more of a middle 6 forward, good one but not a blue chip player...Misa and McKenna would change things a lot, and a guy like Marner...they're probably doing OK at defense but KK needs to pan out as a top 10 caliber player

Maybe it’s just me but I have faith that they’re in good shape for the foreseeable future on the backend.

Lev
Korch
Rinzel
EDM
Allan
Kaiser?
Maybe Schaefer?

Don’t know many teams that can say the same. If the Hawks select one of Schaefer or Misa this upcoming draft then I’ll be all teeth.

Also, I like Bedard on the wing so far. Frank is doing great at the face off dot.

 

[Deputy McRizzy]

That was the first game I got to really pay close attention to Lev since his call up.

He looks so natural and fluid with his skating and puck moving. So much so it makes me nervous about Korchinski who always looks nervous and plays small and scared when he’s around the puck. Obviously he’s still incredibly young, but it still put the difference of the two in perspective for me.

 

[BHawk21]

Levshunovs the real deal. Donato just keeps scoring. Teravainen quitely making plays. Bertuzzi back on a little heater. Bedard playing at home with good line matches against a bad opponent huge help. Knight looked like crap.

 

[BobbyJet]

That was the first game I got to really pay close attention to Lev since his call up.

He looks so natural and fluid with his skating and puck moving. So much so it makes me nervous about Korchinski who always looks nervous and plays small and scared when he’s around the puck. Obviously he’s still incredibly young, but it still put the difference of the two in perspective for me.

Lev has pretty much nailed down a spot ... but I'm afraid KK is quietly being buried within the Hawks org, perhaps Allan as well. I look for KD to lose his patience and soon move at least one of the org's young dmen. I imagine there will be some interest around the league but the return is liable to be minimal.

 

[Behn Wilson]

Lev has pretty much nailed down a spot ... but I'm afraid KK is quietly being buried within the Hawks org, perhaps Allan as well. I look for KD to lose his patience and soon move at least one of the org's young dmen. I imagine there will be some interest around the league but the return is liable to be minimal.

I dont think either KK or Allan are being buried. I think the plan this year was to rotate the young d-men and give them all a stint in the NHL. Its just not their turns right now.

 

[Larmer83]

Lev has pretty much nailed down a spot ... but I'm afraid KK is quietly being buried within the Hawks org, perhaps Allan as well. I look for KD to lose his patience and soon move at least one of the org's young dmen. I imagine there will be some interest around the league but the return is liable to be minimal.

That's very much possible.

As fans, there's a tendency to hold your teams prospect in a higher upside then the outside consenus. Add to that having a baseline of shit from the likes of Brodie, Megna, and Tinordi makes the kids look better than warranted. It's possible that Del Mastro, Allan, and Kaiser end up as 3rd pairing defenders that can PK and move up the lineup in case of injury. Good for them as they're punching above draft positioning and that includes Allan.

As for Korch, if he played last season in the WHL his natural progression as a 20 year old this season would be a full year in Rockford. He's KD's first draft pick so I don't expect him to lose much patience.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Lev has pretty much nailed down a spot ... but I'm afraid KK is quietly being buried within the Hawks org, perhaps Allan as well. I look for KD to lose his patience and soon move at least one of the org's young dmen. I imagine there will be some interest around the league but the return is liable to be minimal.

Korchinski is 20 yrs old (Only turns 21 in July)

We are years away from "Losing patience" stage

Allan I could see as trade chip for young F because

1) Hawks depth of young D
2) EDM brings alot of the attributes Nolan brings
3) Nolan was not Davidson pick (Bowman final draft)

 

[Toews2Bickell]

Lev has pretty much nailed down a spot ... but I'm afraid KK is quietly being buried within the Hawks org, perhaps Allan as well. I look for KD to lose his patience and soon move at least one of the org's young dmen. I imagine there will be some interest around the league but the return is liable to be minimal.

They cant bail on KK when they rushed him, if the return is minimal then you see his development out until the end like they have for Reichel

 

[Hattrick Kane]

They cant bail on KK when they rushed him, if the return is minimal then you see his development out until the end like they have for Reichel

I don’t think Korchinski has minimal value right now. Look at Jiricek, the guy drafted before him who looked objectively worse than him. He got traded for basically a full drafts worth of picks. You could get plenty for Korch, and even more in a package deal.

He may have depleting value to the Hawks though. Lev has basically shown he’s ready, and is running PP1. If Rinzel gets here and looks good, he’s on PP2. Having Korchinski on a team with no powerplay time is a waste. He’s also a LD but he won’t get big minutes because Vlasic and EDM have stepped up and are way better defensively than him, so they’ll get more minutes.

So you don’t have to trade Korchinski or lose patience, but he’s being pushed down the depth chart. A deal involving him would be dealing from a position of strength to shore up a position of weakness, which would be forward.

 

[x Tame Impala]

but he’s being pushed down the depth chart

Hypothetically being pushed down the depth chart. Vlassic looks like a surefire top4 LD and Levshunov is a top4 RD pending a disaster. Rinzel is all hype until he does it at the NHL level. Del Mastro looks good but he has to be consistent at the NHL level.

Korchinski is a 7th OVR pick and FWIW is an AHL All Star at 20 years old. AHL >>>> NCAA so i'm eager to see what this kid's career will look like. I think we wait and see until the draft lottery shakes out regardless because if we snag 1st OVR and add Schaefer that may change things in a huge way.

 

[BHawks77]

I think KK might surprise people next year. He looked good this year when he had few games and if he has a good summer of getting stronger there is real potential there.

He and EDM can fight for who is in the second pair and who is in third pair. Competition is a good thing. Also lets not forget Kaiser he has come a long way...

 

[TheFridge]

He plays 13 minutes and has two goals and an assist in 20+ games. He doesn’t sustain zone time well enough. I like his tenacity and skating but I don’t think he’s really playing good enough to sit there and say he needs to be on the roster next year. He could easily find himself back in the AHL again on one of the worst forward groups in the league.

He's 5th amongst forwards in xGF% and 3rd in shots for %. I don't know what you're using to measure how well he sustains pressure/zone time, I'd be interested to see what it is. Because the eye test says he does a great job pressuring and forcing turnovers and that seems to play out in the advanced stats too, relative to the rest of the team.

He's also in his first pro season. It's not like he's a finished product.