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Proposal: 2nd overall pick to Buffalo

Ideally Buffalo would be able to trade Byram and Peterka for players that fill their needs i.e. an established top pair RD. Maybe that trade is on the table but if not I see this as a way for the Sabres to maximize the value of those players while opening up cap flexibility and roster spots to go after whoever they want.
 
Completely understand why Sabres fans might not like it, it’s probably decent value overall… but I hate it with my whole heart. I’m not interested in trading Misa for guys I don’t see as core-caliber players (no disrespect to Byram or Peterka, who are obviously good players).

Now if Buffalo wanted to nuke their fan base from orbit and toss us Dahlin for #2 and Dickinson, we can talk. :naughty:

You ask for Dahlin without Celebrini. Doth slap in the face.
 
You ask for Dahlin without Celebrini. Doth slap in the face.
I mean, I’m not saying you’d do it either, but I doubt there’s a single asset in the entire NHL more valuable than Celebrini given his age, contract status, position, playstyle, character, how good he is already, how good he probably ends up in his prime, and how good his could be in his prime.

There’s nothing more valuable than a Barkov/Toews caliber two-way #1C to being a winning team. I’m sure Sabres fans know this as well as anyone.
 
Whomever we select at 2nd overall has a good chance of becoming a core piece of our franchise. In order for this trade to make sense, one would have to believe that Byram would be an equally valuable part of our core. This is something that I personally don't believe, and therefore, am not in favor of this proposal.

Edit: Got distracted for an hour, and see now that Jux beat me to this point 😂
 
I mean, I’m not saying you’d do it either, but I doubt there’s a single asset in the entire NHL more valuable than Celebrini given his age, contract status, position, playstyle, character, how good he is already, how good he probably ends up in his prime, and how good his could be in his prime.

There’s nothing more valuable than a Barkov/Toews caliber two-way #1C to being a winning team. I’m sure Sabres fans know this as well as anyone.

I'm not saying you'd do it either...But...if you're asking for Rasmus Dahlin there is no combination of assets that would get you him without Celebrini.
 
Whomever we select at 2nd overall has a good chance of becoming a core piece of our franchise. In order for this trade to make sense, one would have to believe that Byram would be an equally valuable part of our core. This is something that I personally don't believe, and therefore, am not in favor of this proposal.

Edit: Got distracted for an hour, and see now that Jux beat me to this point 😂

Is that math correct? If you believe Byram is equally valuable the trade is no worse than a free #9 to SJ.

Even if you somehow want to wash Peterka and Musty it's 9+Byram for 2.
 
I'm not saying you'd do it either...But...if you're asking for Rasmus Dahlin there is no combination of assets that would get you him without Celebrini.

I could easily come up with a combination of SJ assets for Dahlin. Don't be daft.
 
Given where the Sharks I'd rather add a 18 year old future 1B center in Misa then three really good pieces. I'd love to add Byram or JJP, and I imagine Mrtka could be there at 9.

However, Buffalo can't do this to their fans. They absolutely cannot be moving talent out for futures. Byram is a 23 year old 2/3 dman, JJP is a legit top 6 forward. It'll be (at least) two (maybe 4-5) years before Misa is outplaying JJP alone, which likely means two more years of extending the streak.

Musty is a local boy though- not sure if he wore the pajamas or not?- maybe he'd be valued at some point, but not in this deal.

I like Musty as a prospect (aside from the local flavor, which is always a plus), but you’re 100% right. There is no more road ahead to kick the can to. What’s left of the Sabres fanbase is exhausted.
 
I have no interest in trading Dahlin he's an amazing player, but SJS could put together quite an offer without using Celebrini.

I’m sure they have some nice pieces, but Dahlin is one of the best defensemen in the entire world, he’s 24, he’s our captain, and he’s locked in to a max term contract. There’s no combination of “nice” pieces from any team that gets you to move a player like that. You get a player like Dahlin, you hold on for dear life.
 
I’m sure they have some nice pieces, but Dahlin is one of the best defensemen in the entire world, he’s 24, he’s our captain, and he’s locked in to a max term contract. There’s no combination of “nice” pieces from any team that gets you to move a player like that. You get a player like Dahlin, you hold on for dear life.

Yes I get that but some of these assets aren't "nice"...

I refuse to believe there's no combination of Smith/Eklund/Musty/Dickenson/Chernyshov/2OA to land Dahlin. Certainly there might not be one both teams would agree to.
 
If San Jose wanted defense, id offer power and Quinn for 2nd overall. Power isn’t a crap as people claim, he is an offensive top 4 defenseman under 23 with massive upside.

In a weak draft, he is probably almost fair value anyway. Quinn is a reclamation project because of Powers cap.
 
It would be better and the compensation much less, to either sit tight or trade up 1 spot for Schaefer.
 
Is that math correct? If you believe Byram is equally valuable the trade is no worse than a free #9 to SJ.

Even if you somehow want to wash Peterka and Musty it's 9+Byram for 2.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe ignoring the main point of my post. I don't believe Byram to be a core piece, and I don't particularly care that 1+4+4 carries equal value to 3+3+3. I want that 1. Complimentary pieces (albeit good ones) can be acquired at a lesser cost at a later date.
 
Most Sabres fans will say we are trying to compete now and are not interested in prospects anymore.

But with the Sabres doubling down on GM Kevyn Adams and HC Lindy Ruff I think we are still a full front office + coaching rebuild away from even beginning to try to compete.

I don't see the Sabres ever winning a Cup with Kevyn Adams at the helm, or with most of the players that he's assembled.

I think there's a higher probability of winning a cup with Misa and Musty in rebuild #3 than continuing to double down on rebuild #2.

I don’t see the Sabres winning a game of Sorry if those two clowns are at the helm, they’d both lose in a rock-paper-scissors match between ‘em.
Why would Buffalo do this? Are they trying to make it to 30 years without a playoff appearance?

We’re allowing Lindy and Kevin back in the building, so that question is less rhetorical than you think.
 

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