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CobraAcesS said:
This thread does a good job of highlighting how bleak this position is for like 3/4ths of the league.
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The agents of UFA C’s are gonna break the bank. Gonna be a lot of bad contracts.

I hope the Habs stay away and revisit next offseason. Gives Dach ine more opportunity.
 
Voodoo Glow Skulls said:
Hagel

For

Detroit 1st(13)
Rasmussen(3 years, 3.2 per)
Wallinder
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Tampa isn't moving Hagel, and if they were he'd probably be one of the most expensive guys in the league to trade for:
- Signed till 2032 to the best contract in the league
- Coming off of a 90 points season
- Been one of the best forwards 5v5 this season
- One of the best players to PK
- Only 26 y/o and not close to his ceiling
 
CobraAcesS said:
This thread does a good job of highlighting how bleak this position is for like 3/4ths of the league.
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Well it makes sense. I mean, there's not 32 legit 1Cs in the league, and there probably aren't even 32 decent to good 2Cs (some of whom are playing a 1C role out of necessity). That's not enough to go around for 32 teams. That's why teams will roll the dice on imperfect solutions.
 
A team could drum up quite the bidding war if they had a good 2C available. How many different teams want a quality top 6 center?

Montreal, Vancouver, Detroit, Columbus, Calgary, Utah, Chicago, Buffalo off the top of my head. That's at least 8 teams who would be in the market and it doesn't really include any playoff teams wanting to take another step forward. Id think teams like Minnesota, Colorado, Toronto and others would also be in that market.
 
SirloinUB said:
A team could drum up quite the bidding war if they had a good 2C available. How many different teams want a quality top 6 center?

Montreal, Vancouver, Detroit, Columbus, Calgary, Utah, Chicago, Buffalo off the top of my head. That's at least 8 teams who would be in the market and it doesn't really include any playoff teams wanting to take another step forward. Id think teams like Minnesota, Colorado, Toronto and others would also be in that market.
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Hoping you’re right and Rossi fetches more than I think he will.
 
Zwui21 said:
Tampa isn't moving Hagel, and if they were he'd probably be one of the most expensive guys in the league to trade for:
- Signed till 2032 to the best contract in the league
- Coming off of a 90 points season
- Been one of the best forwards 5v5 this season
- One of the best players to PK
- Only 26 y/o and not close to his ceiling
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Not that I disagree with the fundamental point in bold but what the hell is his ceiling if a prime aged 90 point, elite 5on5/pker "isn't close to it"? Move over McJesus, apparently we have a new best player in the world.

Also, FWIW, as another Red Wing fan, id definitely be dangling a better prospect than Wallinder (and I still expect Tampa to say no)
 
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SirloinUB said:
A team could drum up quite the bidding war if they had a good 2C available. How many different teams want a quality top 6 center?

Montreal, Vancouver, Detroit, Columbus, Calgary, Utah, Chicago, Buffalo off the top of my head. That's at least 8 teams who would be in the market and it doesn't really include any playoff teams wanting to take another step forward. Id think teams like Minnesota, Colorado, Toronto and others would also be in that market.
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You can probably cross Columbus off that list (which is a weird thing for me to be typing). It'll be whichever of Fantilli or Monahan is colder at a given moment. That roster has far more glaring needs, so consequently Waddell's attention (and therefore the team's tradable assets) should be focused elsewhere.
 
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squashmaple said:
You can probably cross Columbus off that list (which is a weird thing for me to be typing). It'll be whichever of Fantilli or Monahan is colder at a given moment. That roster has far more glaring needs, so consequently Waddell's attention (and therefore the team's tradable assets) should be focused elsewhere.
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That is surprising to me but fair enough.
 
SirloinUB said:
Not that I disagree with the fundamental point in bold but what the hell is his ceiling if a prime aged 90 point, elite 5on5/pker "isn't close to it"? Move over McJesus, apparently we have a new best player in the world.

Also, FWIW, as another Red Wing fan, id definitely be dangling a better prospect than Wallinder (and I still expect Tampa to say no)
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Considering he's scored only 11 of the 90 total points on the powerplay (all assists, no goals), I'd say his ceiling could be around 105 points with a powerplay production more "standard" of an elite player.
I also tend to trust Kucherov when he says he expects Hagel to be even better next season (Hagel started training with him during the summer last season)
 
Zwui21 said:
Considering he's scored only 11 of the 90 total points on the powerplay (all assists, no goals), I'd say his ceiling could be around 105 points with a powerplay production more "standard" of an elite player.
I also tend to trust Kucherov when he says he expects Hagel to be even better next season (Hagel started training with him during the summer last season)
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What is Kucherov going to say, “yeah I bet my teammate isn’t going to be as good next year”?

Players peak at 24-25 these days. The more likely scenario is that Hagel’s prime is over. Scoring is a different story, but as far as his overall impact goes it’s most likely that his prime is behind him.
 
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Juxtaposer said:
What is Kucherov going to say, “yeah I bet my teammate isn’t going to be as good next year”?

Players peak at 24-25 these days. The more likely scenario is that Hagel’s prime is over. Scoring is a different story, but as far as his overall impact goes it’s most likely that his prime is behind him.
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Kuch in his comments went out of his way to say this, which implies he thinks it and didn't say it because he was asked a dumb question.
Players peak has a bigger range these days, but saying Hagel has peaked already when he's 26 feels far fetched when he's been constantly improving season after season.
He'll have a 100 points season in the next couple of years, especially if he'll play with more offensive talented linemates than Cirelli and whoever filled the revolving door 2RW spot for Tampa this season
 
Zwui21 said:
Considering he's scored only 11 of the 90 total points on the powerplay (all assists, no goals), I'd say his ceiling could be around 105 points with a powerplay production more "standard" of an elite player.
I also tend to trust Kucherov when he says he expects Hagel to be even better next season (Hagel started training with him during the summer last season)
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As a Hagel fantasy owner, I love your optimism.
 
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Juxtaposer said:
What is Kucherov going to say, “yeah I bet my teammate isn’t going to be as good next year”?

Players peak at 24-25 these days. The more likely scenario is that Hagel’s prime is over. Scoring is a different story, but as far as his overall impact goes it’s most likely that his prime is behind him.
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Whose peaking at 24-25?

Its the opposite, their scoring goes down as they age but they are generally better players. You take the 28 year old version over the 24 year old version of any top end player in a playoff run.
 
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Duchene - Dallas has gotta be his favorite to sign but they will have to make moves. Dumba for example can be moved to create space.

Tavares - Sounds like he wants to stay in Toronto

Donato - is he just a left Winger now? (Chicago player for those that don't know)

Nelson - he's going to get paid!

Granlund - I'd be careful on how much he gets paid but if a team needs a playmaker and can afford to give him good zone starts will produce.

Giroux - ???

Sam Bennett - Florida has to be a favorite but they may not have the cap space for him.

Then we go into 3Cs like

Pius Suter, Roslovic etc.

The NHL right now is lacking top 6 centers.
 
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SirloinUB said:
As a Hagel fantasy owner, I love your optimism.
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Just look at this compilation of shorthanded chances from the 24-25 season and count how many grade A chances him and Cirelli didn't convert on.
Hagel could have easily had 10 more points in shorthanded situations this season lmao.
He a special player
 
The teams that are desperately competing for cups (Leafs / Avs etc.) will be the ones overpaying for UFA's. The teams that are rebuilding but have 2C gaps (e.g. pretty much every other team) should avoid this market IMO.
 
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Junohockeyfan said:
The teams that are desperately competing for cups (Leafs / Avs etc.) will be the ones overpaying for UFA's. The teams that are rebuilding but have 2C gaps (e.g. pretty much every other team) should avoid this market IMO.
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Yep, this isn't the year for Calgary to make a move imo. If anything they should be looking at trading Backlund and Kadri if the market is this strong.

I'd love Bennett back on the team but I know it would be an objectively terrible decision.
 
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