Value of: 29-31 year old 1st line Center to the Vancouver Canucks

[Horse McHindu]

29-31 year old 1st line Center to the Vancouver Canucks:

Lets get one thing straight: I fully realize that isn't the type of move that the Canucks should be making right now, but Linden and Benning want to field a competitive team this season. Whether that entails mortgaging a little of their future remains to be seen, but the idea of the Sedins' being pushed to the 2nd line is extremely appealing.....assuming that the line of thought from management, is to win in the here and now.

####-New#1Center-Eriksson
Sedin-Sedin-###

A move like this would make me upset as it would likely cost us a Bo Horvat and/or another prized prospect, but again.....if you believe in the 'trickle down' effect, then you'd have

1) *New Number One Center* and Eriksson on the first line
2) Sedins' anchoring the 2nd line (i.e. should be one of the best second lines in all of hockey).
3) Sutter anchoring the 3rd line. If you put Virtanen or Baertschi with the twins, and put a guy like Hansen with Sutter, then there's a good chance that Sutter and Hansen would make one of the best 3rd lines in the NHL.

Rodin-#1Center-Eriksson
Sedin-Sedin-Virtanen
Burrows-Sutter-Hansen
Baertschi-Granlund-Dorsett

For the record, I'm not a fan of this move, but here's my question:

1) Are there any 29-31 year old 1st line calibre centers that could realistically be had? (i.e. Krejci from Boston, or maybe even someone younger like Matt Duchene from Colorado).

2) What would be the asking price for such a piece?

3) Do you think Benning and/or Linden would entertain such thoughts if the Acquillini's get on their case? (i.e. Canucks have a lackluster November and start sliding downwards in the standings).

4) If the Canucks did something like this, would it make them a playoff team (with dark horse potential?).

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[Horse McHindu]

Way too many people make these insane proposals based on their own perception of the way Benning and Linden conduct their business.

Let's trade Virtanen and Horvat for Joe Thornton becuz Benning lullzzzz!

Benning will probably trade Hutton and 4 1sts for Chara because compete now Aquilini Linden Benning omgz.

Well for the record, that's not the way I think.

Whether you want to admit it or not however, Benning and Linden want to field a competitive team this year. I'm just trying to see things from their perspective.

1) They brought in Eric Gudbranson
2) They signed Louie Eriksson
3) They realize that the twins are 36 years old and will likely need to move down to the 2nd line in order to be at their best.

Like I said, I wouldn't go this route, but if "the plan" is to field a competitive team, then the obvious choice would be in trying to land a center that is capable of being a 1st line pivot.

1) Eriksson gets a playmate on the new top line
2) Sedins' go down to the 2nd line and become one of the best 2nd lines in hockey
3) Sutter and Hansen anchor one of the best 3rd lines in hockey
4) Baertschi and Granlund play against inferior opposition as 4th liners and gain some confidence.

I've heard names like Krejci and Duchene being thrown around, and so I wonder if Benning/Linden would make a play for them?

They have to be a little concerned by the fact that Eriksson hasn't produced as of yet, while the twins are fading as 1st liners. They've invested a lot of money into those 3 players.

 

[ACC1224]

Sounds like the perfect spot for Bozak.

 

[Breakers]

29-31 year old 1st line Center to the Vancouver Canucks:

Lets get one thing straight: I fully realize that isn't the type of move that the Canucks should be making right now, but Linden and Benning want to field a competitive team this season. Whether that entails mortgaging a little of their future remains to be seen, but the idea of the Sedins' being pushed to the 2nd line is extremely appealing.....assuming that the line of thought from management, is to win in the here and now.

####-New#1Center-Eriksson
Sedin-Sedin-###

A move like this would make me upset as it would likely cost us a Bo Horvat and/or another prized prospect, but again.....if you believe in the 'trickle down' effect, then you'd have

Trading for 1st line centerman wouldn't cost Vancouver "A LITTLE" of their future.
It would cost them 75% of their future

Their prospect pool is in the 12-14 range.
So this move would probably move them back to 25-30 place in the NHL, and they'd still suck after the trade.

 

[voxel]

Olli Juolevi + 1st for Krejci?

That's what it will probably take.

 

[Toronto makebeleifs]

Sounds like the perfect spot for Bozak.

Too quick to even manage. Lol. Bozie is a tweener 3rd 2nd. Though I'd love if Benning gave up a 2nd and something else; it doesn't happen.

 

[JuJu Mobb]

No.1 centerman, if available, would cost a lot imo.

I like the Krejci suggestion tho. I think he'd be a great fit for Vancouver. Boston needs defense now.

I'd see them being interested in Tanev or Edler.

 

[Bettman Returnz]

No thanks... I'd rather keep the same roster and lose than grab an older centreman. I just don't see any scenario where the Canucks compete for a cup this year (or several to come), regardless.

 

[McMatthews]

This would be the ultimate Benning move.

Vancouver doesn't have enough prospects. They have arguably the worst prospect pool in the league. Trading two or three good assets for a 30 year old centre is arguably the dumbest thing they can do, given their current situation.

 

[BB88]

Olli Juolevi + 1st for Krejci?

That's what it will probably take.

I'd take just Juolevi for him but Vancouver should never trade him.

This would be the ultimate Benning move.

Vancouver doesn't have enough prospects. They have arguably the worst prospect pool in the league. Trading two or three good assets for a 30 year old centre is arguably the dumbest thing they can do, given their current situation.

With Juolevi, Boeser, Stecher and Demko they definitely dont have the worst prospect pool in the league, though it's not elite either.

 

[ACC1224]

Too quick to even manage. Lol. Bozie is a tweener 3rd 2nd. Though I'd love if Benning gave up a 2nd and something else; it doesn't happen.

A Canuck fan was all over Tanev for Kadri, we could do that instead.

 

[TeddyBare]

This would be the ultimate Benning move.

Vancouver doesn't have enough prospects. They have arguably the worst prospect pool in the league. Trading two or three good assets for a 30 year old centre is arguably the dumbest thing they can do, given their current situation.

Florida, LA, NY, Dallas, Washington, Minnesota, Chicago

Not really arguable at all they aren't even close to worst in the league

 

[McMatthews]

With Juolevi, Boeser, Stecher and Demko they definitely dont have the worst prospect pool in the league, though it's not elite either.

Fine, they're not the worst but they have a bottom 5 prospect pool. Outside of their top 3 prospects, it's really poor.

They've also traded away a couple picks for this year, without having added ANY draft picks for the next three years.

Don't go and trade for a 30 year old.

Tank.

It's absolutely necessary to tank in Vancouver.

 

[Horse McHindu]

No.1 centerman, if available, would cost a lot imo.

I like the Krejci suggestion tho. I think he'd be a great fit for Vancouver. Boston needs defense now.

I'd see them being interested in Tanev or Edler.

I'm not sure what Boston's plans are, but if they're leaning in the direction of a true rebuild, then I think the suggestion by the other poster (i.e. OJ + pick) would be a good way to go.

Again, I'm NOT a fan of this line of thought, but I just can't ignore the fact that management has invested a lot of money into Eriksson, the twins, Gudbranson, etc.

Krejci and Eriksson have proven chemistry, while the twins would be good 2nd liners at this stage of their careers.

If Krejci can be had by just OJ/1st, then the Canucks would have very good depth up front.

Rodin-Krejci-Eriksson
Sedin-Sedin-Hansen
Baertschi-Horvat-Sutter
Granlund-Gaunce-Dorsett (Virtanen goes to Utica).

Canucks prospect pool would suffer, but again, if it's management's goal to field a competitive NOW and keep a mindful eye for the future, then this is exactly the type of move that they'd be inclined to make.

 

[Breakers]

Florida, LA, NY, Dallas, Washington, Minnesota, Chicago

Not really arguable at all they aren't even close to worst in the league

Colorado, New Jersey, Detroit, Ottawa.

Guy has no idea what he is talking about.

 

[BB88]

Fine, they're not the worst but they have a bottom 5 prospect pool. Outside of their top 3 prospects, it's really poor.

They've also traded away a couple picks for this year, without having added ANY draft picks for the next three years.

Don't go and trade for a 30 year old.

Tank.

It's absolutely necessary to tank in Vancouver.

They should rebuild but 3 elite prospects lift their prospect pool out of the bottom.
There are lots of teams that don't have a single elite prospect.

 

[Gsus]

I'll give you Giroux for a bucket of pucks. Oh wait, G is only 28.

 

[McMatthews]

Colorado, New Jersey, Detroit, Ottawa.

Guy has no idea what he is talking about.

If you consider young players on the roster, 25 and under, Vancouver likely ranks last overall in the NHL.

New Jersey is the only other one that doesn't have much <25 talent, except for Taylor Hall.

Colorado, Detroit and Ottawa blow Vancouver out of the water in terms of other young players.

 

[McMatthews]

They should rebuild but 3 elite prospects lift their prospect pool out of the bottom.
There are lots of teams that don't have a single elite prospect.

Vancouver doesn't have 3 elite prospects.

Boeser is killing the NCAA but outside of him, they don't have elite prospects.

Juolevi is good but he's not elite. Best case scenario, he replicates what Hampus Lindholm did. There's a long way to go before that happens.

 

[Breakers]

If you consider young players on the roster, 25 and under, Vancouver likely ranks last overall in the NHL.

New Jersey is the only other one that doesn't have much <25 talent, except for Taylor Hall.

Colorado, Detroit and Ottawa blow Vancouver out of the water in terms of other young players.

You said "PROSPECT POOL"

NHL players in the league aren't prospects.

 

[McMatthews]

You said "PROSPECT POOL"

NHL players in the league aren't prospects.

And now I'm correcting myself by saying young pool of players.

All of Vancouver's resources are invested in the Sedin twins and the older players.

There's no reason why they should have signed Ryan Miller and Loui Eriksson.

That team is not going to compete for anything and going forward, they're in trouble.

Toronto did it for a decade and it set us back and never paid off.

Don't do it. Just TANK!

 

[Toronto makebeleifs]

A Canuck fan was all over Tanev for Kadri, we could do that instead.

If those were the major pieces going each way (even though I like kadri's term rn) I'd absolutely consider it. Leafs need a guy like tanev.... but I'm not sure what the add would be.

 

[Trapper]

Sounds like the perfect spot for Bozak.

JVR-Bozak-Eriksson

But Tanev needs to be coming back and a draft pick.
(And a cap dump if you need help)

 

[PokerPig]

The Neely.

Jake Virtanen and a 1st for David Krejci

Boston can address their defense later.

Canucks flip Miller for a pick and get a cheap backup to offset the salary.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

JVR + Bozak + Polak/Hunwick(if you want)
For
Tanev + Tryamkin + Burrows (cap)

Canucks can roll a top line of JVR-Bozak-Eriksson, followed by Sedins
Leafs can stick Tanev with Rielly on the top pair, and Tryamkin with Zaistev on 2nd pairing. (Gardiner+Carrick on 3rd)