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24/25 Waivers/Rumors/TDL Thread.

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SirloinUB said:
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It’s definitely premature to lock Danielson in as a long term cup contending line driving top 6 center.

On the other hand he is a lock to play some center in the NHL, imo. TBD how impactful he will be but he has all of the characteristics to at least hold down a bottom 6 role.

And within the context of acquiring Rantanen, I don’t think it’s a stretch to see those two playing well as a duo. No guarantees obviously but on paper it seems like a good fit.

I like the odds of a team moving forward with Larkin & Ray holding down 1 line. Rantanen and Kasper and/or Danielson on another. That’s two lines that would be very hard to play against. With Seider and Ed holding down two separate pairings I believe that is a foundation that can contend.
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I absolutely see him as someone who can play with better players given his mature IQ. I also think he is clearly a center at the NHL level as well. Still, I don't want to make bold, wise-guy proclamations about his future at this point.
 
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Rzombo4 prez said:
At this point part of me just wants to watch the meltdown tomorrow when he does nothing...
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Speaking only for myself, I want continued progress towards contending for and winning a championship. The frustrating reality is that front offices care a lot more about profit than fans do, and they get caught up in this nonsense of preferring to be an above average team for a very long time, versus being more aggressive in risk/reward.

For the Wings specifically, I was in lock step with Yzerman for hoarding picks while bad contracts came off the books and they started to draft and assemble a new core. But at some point, you have enough progress that you gradually shift away from hoarding picks and towards supplementing your drafted players in order to move things forward and accelerate success on the ice.

I'm not saying you empty the cupboard. They're clearly not that far along yet. But we're approaching six years since Yzerman was hired, and they missed the playoffs by the thinnest of margins last year and they're still in the mix this year.

I don't see how it's in any way unreasonable to view making the playoffs this season as not just a nice bonus, but an expectation. So go make one or more modest deals to improve your chances to do so. For example, dealing some second and third round picks for a depth defenseman and a depth forward is in no way throwing away the future. The most likely probability is that you're dealing 2-3 future AHL players for one round of NHL playoffs, and I'm more than ok with that exchange.

I don't disagree that there will be more trade options this summer. But even if I didn't value a 2025 playoff berth as much, I still wouldn't be confident that Yzerman would be able to land one or more fish big enough to make the wait worthwhile. Kane and Debrincat are the only two guys that weren't borderline scrap heap material, and both were acquired under very special circumstances. If the Wings wait until July, I fully expect another year of the same bargain bin nonsense, with next year being overly dependent on how quickly the next call-ups adjust, and likely being another year of missing the playoffs.

He's the GM, and nothing I say will change how he operates. But despite how much I like the young players and prospects, there's only so much, "well, they're not a cellar dweller anymore" that I can handle before the honeymoon phase is over and either they start having real success or I stop watching until they do. The ROI of "average regular season team" has an expiration date.
 
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jkutswings said:
Speaking only for myself, I want continued progress towards contending for and winning a championship. The frustrating reality is that front offices care a lot more about profit than fans do, and they get caught up in this nonsense of preferring to be an above average team for a very long time, versus being more aggressive in risk/reward.

For the Wings specifically, I was in lock step with Yzerman for hoarding picks while bad contracts came off the books and they started to draft and assemble a new core. But at some point, you have enough progress that you gradually shift away from hoarding picks and towards supplementing your drafted players in order to move things forward and accelerate success on the ice.

I'm not saying you empty the cupboard. They're clearly not that far along yet. But we're approaching six years since Yzerman was hired, and they missed the playoffs by the thinnest of margins last year and they're still in the mix this year.

I don't see how it's in any way unreasonable to view making the playoffs this season as not just a nice bonus, but an expectation. So go make one or more modest deals to improve your chances to do so. For example, dealing some second and third round picks for a depth defenseman and a depth forward is in no way throwing away the future. The most likely probability is that you're dealing 2-3 future AHL players for one round of NHL playoffs, and I'm more than ok with that exchange.

I don't disagree that there will be more trade options this summer. But even if I didn't value a 2025 playoff berth as much, I still wouldn't be confident that Yzerman would be able to land one or more fish big enough to make the wait worthwhile. Kane and Debrincat are the only two guys that weren't borderline scrap heap material, and both were acquired under very special circumstances. If the Wings wait until July, I fully expect another year of the same bargain bin nonsense, with next year being overly dependent on how quickly the next call-ups adjust, and likely being another year of missing the playoffs.

He's the GM, and nothing I say will change how he operates. But despite how much I like the young players and prospects, there's only so much, "well, they're not a cellar dweller anymore" that I can handle before the honeymoon phase is over and either they start having real success or I stop watching until they do. The ROI of "average regular season team" has an expiration date.
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Not to bust your chops too much longer, but isn't bargain bin nonsense exactly what you are asking for now?
 
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