24/25 Waivers/Rumors/TDL Thread.

[Scottgaf1]

Absolutely not. We have no use for an extra first rounder right now. If we are trading wallinder it needs to be for someone who can play on our roster this year.

I disagree. This trade would help in many ways. First It frees up 2.25 mil next year. Second you open up roster sports for guys who are ready.

Now they have ammo for the offseason. Tons of cap space, two first rounders to trade or pair together to move up in the draft, and roster space to go for top end guys.

You sacrifice almost nothing this season to get it.

 

[Ulysses31]

with the cap jump sign ed to 8.7x8 this off season

 

[Hazy Little Thing]

Wallinder looks really bad in GR these days. He has quickly become our most overrated prospect. You can tell from the prospect rankings that people aren't really watching him. Gustafsson, for all of his flaws, is a much better defensemen now and next year.

How is he overrated? He’s ranked like 13th amongst our fanbase on here

Absolutely not. We have no use for an extra first rounder right now. If we are trading wallinder it needs to be for someone who can play on our roster this year.

That first can be used to trade for a roster player…plus the extra cap space

 

[cjm502]

How is he overrated? He’s ranked like 13th amongst our fanbase on here


That first can be used to trade for a roster player…plus the extra cap space

He is overrated by those that think he has any kind of NHL future. Even if he gets a cup of coffee in the NHL, he probably wont be able to play to his strengths in the role he would be in. The vast majority of fringe NHL defensemen that actually stick around are the very defensive types.

 

[Hazy Little Thing]

He is overrated by those that think he has any kind of NHL future. Even if he gets a cup of coffee in the NHL, he probably wont be able to play to his strengths in the role he would be in. The vast majority of fringe NHL defensemen that actually stick around are the very defensive types.

But it seems like the fanbase acknowledges that his NHL future is grim. So how is he overrated?

 

[Henkka]

with the cap jump sign ed to 8.7x8 this off season

Don't think we need to do that. Ed will be very cost-controlled for years, because he won't see the PP much. Seider and Pellikka will man the future slots. When there's no high point-production, he will be cost-controlled but very effective like Kronwall behind Lidström.

I don't think we go with 8 years, and if we go, it will be lot less than Seider got. Like taking the cap rise on count, still.

 

[Henkka]

How is he overrated? He’s ranked like 13th amongst our fanbase on here


That first can be used to trade for a roster player…plus the extra cap space

Also funny how Rzombo for prez ranked him as 13th best prospect and the current rank average is also 13th.

So where does the overrating come from?

I did rate Wallinder a lot higher, but the board consensus did not.

I'm currently OK trading Wallinder as a piece for RHD option, because Johansson totally surprised me. And Albert is currently one option for the left side, if we can add legit RHD guys.

 

[Ulysses31]

Don't think we need to do that. Ed will be very cost-controlled for years, because he won't see the PP much. Seider and Pellikka will man the future slots. When there's no high point-production, he will be cost-controlled but very effective like Kronwall behind Lidström.

I don't think we go with 8 years, and if we go, it will be lot less than Seider got. Like taking the cap rise on count, still.

ah ya could see that, bridge for a few years at 6mil then sign big deal last or second last year of RFA

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Don't think we need to do that. Ed will be very cost-controlled for years, because he won't see the PP much. Seider and Pellikka will man the future slots. When there's no high point-production, he will be cost-controlled but very effective like Kronwall behind Lidström.

I don't think we go with 8 years, and if we go, it will be lot less than Seider got. Like taking the cap rise on count, still.

Not giving a guy an opportunity to do something he's probably capable of is business.

Depriving him of millions of dollars because you haven't given him that opportunity is how you drive a guy out of the organization.

 

[Winger98]

Don't think we need to do that. Ed will be very cost-controlled for years, because he won't see the PP much. Seider and Pellikka will man the future slots. When there's no high point-production, he will be cost-controlled but very effective like Kronwall behind Lidström.

I don't think we go with 8 years, and if we go, it will be lot less than Seider got. Like taking the cap rise on count, still.

I'd lock Ed in for as long as we can. But I'd also lock Albert in for as long as we can. I'm not a fan of the idea of signing him to some sort of bridge deal to test the waters, unless Albert falls apart after the 4 nations thing. But I'm also fine leaving him next to Ed and letting ASP play third pairing.

 

[Winger98]

Not giving a guy an opportunity to do something he's probably capable of is business.

Depriving him of millions of dollars because you haven't given him that opportunity is how you drive a guy out of the organization.

This is a hard argument. Personally, I think you should be able to evaluate how important a guy is to your club and pay him appropriately. And that might not always align with how many points they provide. For instance, Tyson Barrie. Guy had seasons where he put up a ton of points but he was a sieve defensively. I think Kevin Shattenkirk fits this, too. A bit higher end than Barrie, but still not a guy you build around, imo.

But how do you quantify this when going into contract negotiations. Maybe you can get some advanced stats to back you up, but no one really trusts them - and I think that lack of trust goes deeper when millions of dollars are on the line. The one counterweight I can think of is that the guys in the locker room know. And that's where you get the buy in talk of a GM getting players to fall in line with it. And I think that's easier to do with guys who come up through the organization and works against you a bit chasing free agents.