24/25 Waivers/Rumors/TDL Thread.

[SirloinUB]

Agreed on Compher and Tank, but Detroit is clearly having a tough time acquiring solid secondary contributors, so I’d welcome Kane back for one more year. He might be the only solid option available to us between now and next year’s start. At the same time, I wouldn’t cry if we didn’t re-sign him.

I am optimistic (maybe wrongly lol) that we can have an easier time recruiting UFAs. This team was so bad when we signed guys like Copp, Compher, Holl and Chairot. At that point we had some nice prospects but the roster was pretty barren.

Moving forward the pitch is looking a lot better.

• We have A number 1D, elite scoring winger and top center locked up long term with Seider Raymond and Larkin.
• We’ve got some emerging studs and depth in Debrincat, Edvinsson and Johansson (maybe throw Soderblom in there)
• We have some great prospects in the pipeline with Danielson, ASP, MBN, Cossa, Augustine and some other solid pieces.
• Great facilities and a clean cap sheet.
• Demonstrated progress coming 1 point shy of playoffs last season and what is looking like a solid season with a quality coach at the helm.

I know the rebuild has been slow, and even painful at points but in reality the landscape is night and day compared to how things looked when we signed Copp, Compher, Holl, Chairot etc.

 

[Reddwit]

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IMO, the untouchables I don’t want to trade:

Active roster (in order):

Seider

Raymond

Larkin

Edvinsson

Kasper

DeBrincat (unless the price is right and he would waive his NTC)

Prospects (in order):

ASP

Cossa

Danielson

Augustine

MBN

I’m willing to trade future picks, prospects, and all roster players not named above. What’s the best we could hope for?

I doubt DBC would waive, and there might even be some hesitance to trade him since he’s a popular player with fans and that begets income, but I could see DBC being an attractive piece for Vancouver. A report came out recently that they haven’t had any contract talks with Boeser, and DBC and Boeser are the same age and provide similar productivity.

DBC, Compher ($1.5M retained), our 2025 first with no protection, and a close-to-ready prospect like Mazur or Buium is a solid offer and nearly a wash in terms of cap. Probably one of the best non-futures only offers they’d get.

Then sign Marchand to replace Debrincat, lol. One can dream.

 

[Frk It]

Trade for Provorov and extend him. Trade for Provorov and extend him. Trade for Provorov and extend him. Trade for Provorov and extend him. Trade for Provorov and extend him. Trade for Provorov and extend him. Trade for Provorov and extend him. Trade for Provorov and extend him......

 

[Reddwit]

Does anyone know thats the reason for the feud between EP and JT? Weird situation for sure. I would love to get him on the Wings but I feel like they would want to much. I would be willing to trade:
1st '26, Ras, Mazur, Veleno, Wallinder. I doubt they would though. I just can't trade Kasper, Danielson, ASP, Cossa or Augustine.

Just sounds like the two have personalities that mix like oil and water. Apparently Miller is a real asshole when he thinks a teammate isn’t giving it their all. Miller allegedly had the same problems in TB and New York. With everything I’ve read on the issue, it sounds like Pettersson is the sensitive type who doesn’t respond well to brash criticism. I get the sense that Miller has been over-the-top with his criticism of Pettersson to the point he feels targeted. Pettersson probably needs to man up a bit and Miller needs to chill the f*** out.

 

[19 for president]

This Vancouver situation is fascinating.

It's such a weird spot because Petterson/Miller should command many suitors but at the same time Vancouver is kind of over a barrel.

If we don't see a trade in the next week or so I kind of think that they ultimately ride this out to the offseason.

Vancouver execs really aren't helping themselves out here either. As soon as it dies down a bit one of them says something to put it right back in the media again.

You either need to shut up about it and make the adjustments you need to get through the season (separate lines/ PP units) or you buck up and make the best deal you can and move on.

With that said I personally think they should make the best deal for Miller that they can and move on. If you can do so without retaining salary do it. The guy his 31 and has a history of being difficult to deal with to some degree. Bring in a winning vet our two to work with Hughes, EP, but someone who is positively vocal. You might be taking a skill downgrade in the trade but sometimes team cohesiveness makes up for that.

Peterson keeps your window open longer.

 

[Reddwit]

Trade for Provorov and extend him. Trade for Provorov and extend him. Trade for Provorov and extend him. Trade for Provorov and extend him. Trade for Provorov and extend him. Trade for Provorov and extend him. Trade for Provorov and extend him. Trade for Provorov and extend him......

Our only chance at a Provorov trade is if CBJ falls out of the race. There’s no way they trade him with how much making the playoffs would mean to the franchise, unless they’re really risk averse about losing him for nothing, in which case they’d probably want a top 4 defenseman with term in return, albeit a lesser one than Provorov. The good news is they’re riding an unsustainable shooting percentage and they’ll be without Monahan for a while.

I could actually see them biting on Chiarot if he puts together some good games for their scouts. LHD who can play on the top pairing, relatively similar PK and TOI deployment to Provorov, and what they lose in offense with Provorov they gain in physicality and bigger size with Chiarot. We’d still have to add, even though Chiarot has the more favorable contract for a franchise that doesn’t attract a lot of good UFAs (outside Gaudreau, RIP).

I think the more realistic path is his rights are made available at season’s end. Could probably send them Chiarot one-for-one at that point, maybe add a 4th.

 

[Reddwit]

Vancouver execs really aren't helping themselves out here either. As soon as it dies down a bit one of them says something to put it right back in the media again.

You either need to shut up about it and make the adjustments you need to get through the season (separate lines/ PP units) or you buck up and make the best deal you can and move on.

With that said I personally think they should make the best deal for Miller that they can and move on. If you can do so without retaining salary do it. The guy his 31 and has a history of being difficult to deal with to some degree. Bring in a winning vet our two to work with Hughes, EP, but someone who is positively vocal. You might be taking a skill downgrade in the trade but sometimes team cohesiveness makes up for that.

Peterson keeps your window open longer.

Yeah, it’s insane to me that the presumptive tradee isn’t just Miller and that they’re even entertaining trading Pettersson. Pettersson may not be the perfect player, but he’s still relatively young and can grow from this mess. Datsyuk grew a lot as a player at 27/28.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

Trade for Provorov and extend him. Trade for Provorov and extend him. Trade for Provorov and extend him. Trade for Provorov and extend him. Trade for Provorov and extend him. Trade for Provorov and extend him. Trade for Provorov and extend him. Trade for Provorov and extend him......

Ok ill play;
They are in the playoff hunt ahead of us. Why would they trade him?They are in the playoff hunt ahead of us. Why would they trade him?
They are in the playoff hunt ahead of us. Why would they trade him?They are in the playoff hunt ahead of us. Why would they trade him?

 

[JohanFranzenstein]

Ok ill play;
They are in the playoff hunt ahead of us. Why would they trade him?They are in the playoff hunt ahead of us. Why would they trade him?
They are in the playoff hunt ahead of us. Why would they trade him?They are in the playoff hunt ahead of us. Why would they trade him?

Same can be said with the Chychrun dreams some folks have. Dudes the heir apparent to Carlson over there, he's gonna be locked up long term before the deadline.

 

[jkutswings]

sign Marchand

 

[Detroit Knights]

Just sounds like the two have personalities that mix like oil and water. Apparently Miller is a real asshole when he thinks a teammate isn’t giving it their all. Miller allegedly had the same problems in TB and New York. With everything I’ve read on the issue, it sounds like Pettersson is the sensitive type who doesn’t respond well to brash criticism. I get the sense that Miller has been over-the-top with his criticism of Pettersson to the point he feels targeted. Pettersson probably needs to man up a bit and Miller needs to chill the f*** out.

honestly though, if this is all true of course, i don't hate what miller is doing then. Sure, once it is public comments in the media or whatever then it can be a bit in the gray, but behind closed doors, miller is acting like a leader by calling out the terrible play of others.

It does not help whatsoever if you have a tough leader like that (torts comes to mind, miller seems to act like him if all things said are true) trying to be that way to a sensitive player. Crazy part and a big twist is the sensitive player could be a perennial 40g, 100+ point producer, young, and supposed to be the core forward and the brash, tough leader is old(er).

I can only assume that miller is acting this way because he can eclipse 100 points (he has recently didn't he?) but get paid millions less. Then it just turns to being salty and everyone here who has worked at a job knowing you are ready willing and able to get the promotion only for it to go to the kiss a** who didn't "earn" it, can understand that feeling, but doesn't make it completely right lol

 

[RabidBadger]

Trade for Provorov and extend him. Trade for Provorov and extend him. Trade for Provorov and extend him. Trade for Provorov and extend him. Trade for Provorov and extend him. Trade for Provorov and extend him. Trade for Provorov and extend him. Trade for Provorov and extend him......

I watched the Canes/Blue Jagoffs game last week. The announcers were saying C-bus is working hard to get Prov's contract extended. I was reluctant to crap on your dream.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

I watched the Canes/Blue Jagoffs game last week. The announcers were saying C-bus is working hard to get Prov's contract extended. I was reluctant to crap on your dream.

Only way they trade him if two things happen;
Contract talks stall + they go on a massive losing streak.

 

[redwingsfannn9191]

This is why I’m okay with giving up mazur. His fit just doesn’t fit anymore and I have no doubt he will play in the NHL, I just don’t see it here anymore with all of the prospects we have that are now purely clogging up the pipeline.

I just don’t want to get rid of Danielson. I think he is going to be something crazy special. I was on the fence with kasper and teetering on adding him, but last few games have shown his potential and he is going to be a great, gritty winger/center for the playoffs. I think of the same with Rasmussen so take that how you want too.

Regardless, if EP comes here and stays in the 80+ point range (would most likely be 90+ with his ability and our playmakers we have now and coming up later) he would be an improvement over probably everyone we have talked about.

Just have to hope that his lower point totals is because he is just being soft about the miller situation which raises other obvious red flags lol

Yup mazur is expendable to me cause with all the kids coming unless a bunch bust he should be a 4th liner here

I'd part with danielson in a heartbeat as well if it's for pettersson or someone like him, top line guy whose 25-26 and still many years ahead of him. Wouldnt for a miller or someone 30+. Danielson would be 3c here 100% with pettersson larkin down the middle

Ya I totally think hes been under performing as a result of what's going on there. Same with cozens although hes obviously not as good as pettersson. If pettersson goes I think quinn Hughes 100% walks in 3yrs so I doubt he leaves

 

[norrisnick]

Trade for Provorov and extend him. Trade for Provorov and extend him. Trade for Provorov and extend him. Trade for Provorov and extend him. Trade for Provorov and extend him. Trade for Provorov and extend him. Trade for Provorov and extend him. Trade for Provorov and extend him......

What significantly sets him apart from Chiarot?

 

[redwingsfannn9191]

IMO, the untouchables I don’t want to trade:

Active roster (in order):

Seider

Raymond

Larkin

Edvinsson

Kasper

DeBrincat (unless the price is right and he would waive his NTC)

Prospects (in order):

ASP

Cossa

Danielson

Augustine

MBN

I’m willing to trade future picks, prospects, and all roster players not named above. What’s the best we could hope for?

Same for the current guys. Debrincat I would 1000% move . See 0% chance of yzerman giving him 7 years

As for the prospects same as you except danielson and nygaard might be available depending on who comes. If we trade danielson for a 25-26year old 1c star guy larkin becomes 2c and danielson can be moved for that piece

0% chance it happens but if someone like rantanen comes here we have raymond and rantanen As top 6 right wingers for a long time. I'd entertain moving him if it could land us a quinn Hughes in a big deal down the road if he obviously extends. Lots of ifs

I think I also dont move buchelnikov at this point. Considering what hes doing in the khl right now on a meh team at 21 I'd ride it or and go all in. Star or bust and see what happens. Same with pellikka . I think those 2 have the potential to be star players and be big pieces for 10+ yrs

I'd bet all my chips on those 2 and if they fail they fail

 

[Frk It]

What significantly sets him apart from Chiarot?

Can handle more minutes and play them at a higher level. Better puck mover and better positionally.

Ok ill play;
They are in the playoff hunt ahead of us. Why would they trade him?They are in the playoff hunt ahead of us. Why would they trade him?
They are in the playoff hunt ahead of us. Why would they trade him?They are in the playoff hunt ahead of us. Why would they trade him?

If he does not want to re-sign with them, get an asset for him as opposed to nothing. They have a number of other defenseman to help pick up the load between Werenski, Mateychuk, Jiricek, etc.

They are currently outside the playoff spots, and in another month or so could be well out of it.

 

[norrisnick]

Can handle more minutes and play them at a higher level. Better puck mover and better positionally.

If he does not want to re-sign with them, get an asset for him as opposed to nothing. They have a number of other defenseman to help pick up the load between Werenski, Mateychuk, Jiricek, etc.

They are currently outside the playoff spots, and in another month or so could be well out of it.

He plays more minutes. Are they really at a higher level? Part of the issue he's been on meh teams his career, but his analytics don't really pop off. Is the meh team and his analytics a chicken/egg thing? I'd want to be 100% before dropping a Hronek lvl contract in his lap.

 

[Oddbob]

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I doubt DBC would waive, and there might even be some hesitance to trade him since he’s a popular player with fans and that begets income, but I could see DBC being an attractive piece for Vancouver. A report came out recently that they haven’t had any contract talks with Boeser, and DBC and Boeser are the same age and provide similar productivity.

DBC, Compher ($1.5M retained), our 2025 first with no protection, and a close-to-ready prospect like Mazur or Buium is a solid offer and nearly a wash in terms of cap. Probably one of the best non-futures only offers they’d get.

Then sign Marchand to replace Debrincat, lol. One can dream.

Take that Marchand thought out of your mind and post. This is one of the worst things I have read on here and makes me sad, really sad.

Also, why on earth would Boeser get anything more than Debrincat? There value is identical and Debrincat has a better contract after this season. You have us giving them a good prospect and a 1st with no protection which is insanity. I keep Debrincat all day everyday.

Trade for Provorov and extend him. Trade for Provorov and extend him. Trade for Provorov and extend him. Trade for Provorov and extend him. Trade for Provorov and extend him. Trade for Provorov and extend him. Trade for Provorov and extend him. Trade for Provorov and extend him......

Who is Trade For?

 

[Oddbob]

What significantly sets him apart from Chiarot?

Provorov probably knows what kind of player he is. Chiarot thinks he is part Bobby Orr and good with the puck.

He plays more minutes. Are they really at a higher level? Part of the issue he's been on meh teams his career, but his analytics don't really pop off. Is the meh team and his analytics a chicken/egg thing? I'd want to be 100% before dropping a Hronek lvl contract in his lap.

How dare you not be into getting rid of Chiarot.

 

[SirloinUB]

I know he isn't available but I really like Mateychuk

 

[newfy]

Does anyone know thats the reason for the feud between EP and JT? Weird situation for sure. I would love to get him on the Wings but I feel like they would want to much. I would be willing to trade:
1st '26, Ras, Mazur, Veleno, Wallinder. I doubt they would though. I just can't trade Kasper, Danielson, ASP, Cossa or Augustine.

honestly though, if this is all true of course, i don't hate what miller is doing then. Sure, once it is public comments in the media or whatever then it can be a bit in the gray, but behind closed doors, miller is acting like a leader by calling out the terrible play of others.

It does not help whatsoever if you have a tough leader like that (torts comes to mind, miller seems to act like him if all things said are true) trying to be that way to a sensitive player. Crazy part and a big twist is the sensitive player could be a perennial 40g, 100+ point producer, young, and supposed to be the core forward and the brash, tough leader is old(er).

I can only assume that miller is acting this way because he can eclipse 100 points (he has recently didn't he?) but get paid millions less. Then it just turns to being salty and everyone here who has worked at a job knowing you are ready willing and able to get the promotion only for it to go to the kiss a** who didn't "earn" it, can understand that feeling, but doesn't make it completely right lol

Brad Richardson played with both and said in an interview on one of thehockey podcasts that Pettersson had some growing up to do and needed some team leadership to kinda tell him he needs to grow up. He then said that Miller dogged him really hard, sounded like almost to the pointof bullying. Richardson pulled Miller aside and said I agree with your point about him needing togrow up but if you keep saying it this way youre gonna lose him and you cant keep talking to him like this. Well Miller didnt listen and here we are

 

[norrisnick]

Provorov probably knows what kind of player he is. Chiarot thinks he is part Bobby Orr and good with the puck.



How dare you not be into getting rid of Chiarot.

I highly doubt any trade for Provorot has Chiarov going the other way...

 

[Frk It]

He plays more minutes. Are they really at a higher level? Part of the issue he's been on meh teams his career, but his analytics don't really pop off. Is the meh team and his analytics a chicken/egg thing? I'd want to be 100% before dropping a Hronek lvl contract in his lap.

He does not produce like Hronek so I doubt he will get paid like Hronek.

I think stylistically he would work better with Seider than Chiarot.

He is just a better player than Chiarot IMO.

 

[Frk It]

I know he isn't available but I really like Mateychuk

I think Columbus does too and it might help lead to Provorov getting moved.

That kid is freaking good.