24/25 Waivers/Rumors/TDL Thread.

[FMichael]

i don't think there's any trade proposal we could entice them with unless it starts with one of larkin, seider, raymond, or edvinsson. vancouver are willing to move petterson - not desperate.

Agreed.

I’m not so sure it would be a wise choice for a trade involving a roster player at this time. Team seems to be gelling, on a roll, new coach magic, why mess with it?

Now if a trade involved draft picks and/or prospects then I’d be cool with that, but as you mentioned a quality player will require quality in return.

 

[FMichael]

Jack Eichel didn't even get moved for a player like that.

Vancouver is avoiding disaster by Pettersson not openly asking for a trade yet. His NTC kicks in after this season when they'll be saddled to his contract. One of Miller/Pettersson seemly... has to go.

Eichel was damaged goods, was requiring surgery (unknown results lied ahead), and wanted out of Buffalo.

Pettersson seems to have regressed and shys away when the game gets physical…Does Yzerman want to pay the price?

 

[Snuggs]

Eichel was damaged goods, was requiring surgery (unknown results lied ahead), and wanted out of Buffalo.

Pettersson seems to have regressed and shys away when the game gets physical…Does Yzerman want to pay the price?

Well, kind of, Damage goods sure, he was for sure injured, but it never had to play out that way in Buffalo, you can read it yourself but if you dive deep into the story, it's not a completely revolutionary surgery that he wanted. Though he'd be the first hockey player to get it and come back and play. The problem was with Buffalo and the team doctors who suggested he didn't need the surgery, said he'd only be out a short time at first, then argued the type of surgery after Eichel went out to an independent doctor for an evaluation.

Now... imagine your employers doctor telling you to get a different surgery from what your doctor is telling you to get and is actually not allowing you to get that surgery you personally want because he has the power under the NHL CBA. That's what Buffalo did to Eichel, so bad, Eichel essentially had to get lawyers involved to make Buffalo trade him.

My point with Pettersson is that he's sort of forcing his way out like Eichel did. Just a lot more quietly right now, he can semi-demand or suggest a trade and watch Vancouver's strength in negotiating a deal plummet.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

Eichel was damaged goods, was requiring surgery (unknown results lied ahead), and wanted out of Buffalo.

Pettersson seems to have regressed and shys away when the game gets physical…Does Yzerman want to pay the price?

Was gonna say I think with Pettersson's injuries, the supposed mental fragility and the 11.6m cap hit he's not far off from Eichel territory to me.

 

[19 for president]

Maybe he'll keep it up but I just don't have faith in Chiarot being able to maintain top pair LD duties long term. I still see finding Seider a partner as the most urgent need for this team. The Wings are building from the back end out, finding someone cost effective that can pair with Seider for the next few years will really help the Wings solidify taking that next step into the playoffs. If want to unleash Seider, he needs a partner he can at least semi rely on defensively.

As for RD I am counting on that being filled by ASP long term. I don't see the point in spending assets on a role if you suspect you have a long term option already. I think there is a chance he makes it as the 3rd pair RD next year and then moves up with Ed the following. I'm good with Aljo and Chia playing with Ed for a year. Ed plays such a calm game that he really helps out his partner defensively. I think he is the easier partner of Seider and he in the same way that Zetterberg was the easier partner vs Datsyuk. Seider needs someone with some IQ that can anticipate what he is going to do, Ed plays a style that can mesh with really any style of partner.

Berg+ 2nd for MP or KA would be a deal I'd make. I don't mind someone being closer to Larkin age as we are about to have one of the youngest D cores in the league. Having a true vet for a few years is not a bad thing.

EP I think is a dream that I just don't see happening. I wanted him when he was drafted and had hoped we'd either move up to snag him or that he'd fall. I don't think a package around Kasper will be enough and I would not trade Larkin, Seider, Ed, or Ray for him. If he were closer to 23/24, I'd maybe deal one of our dmen since we do have ASP in the wings but not for a guy that is Larkin's age. We need to maintain that aged core.

Cousins interests me but again probably not at the cost it would take. I do view him as a bit of an expensive reclamation project so I'd be unwilling to deal major assets for him. Based on what others who have seen him more have said, I question if he is a center long term.

 

[SantosHalper]

vancouver are willing to move petterson - not desperate.

Honestly Nucks GM should show some leadership and order Miller & Pettersson is his office and talk it through, and tell them to kiss and make up. Sounds like inmates are running the asylum in Vancouver.
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The funny part of this entire thread is, they’ve probably been talking about Byrum, and NOT Cozens, all along.

Interesting......

He can also pull a Debrincat, and pick where he ultimately wants to go.

Cat-like deal eh? 1st '25/26+Ras/Veleno+Viro+3rd?
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2025-26
Byram - Seider
Ed - Chiarot
Gus - AlJo
Holl

2026-27
Byram - Seider
Ed - ASP
AlJo - X

 

[FMichael]

Well, kind of, Damage goods sure, he was for sure injured, but it never had to play out that way in Buffalo, you can read it yourself but if you dive deep into the story, it's not a completely revolutionary surgery that he wanted. Though he'd be the first hockey player to get it and come back and play. The problem was with Buffalo and the team doctors who suggested he didn't need the surgery, said he'd only be out a short time at first, then argued the type of surgery after Eichel went out to an independent doctor for an evaluation.

Now... imagine your employers doctor telling you to get a different surgery from what your doctor is telling you to get and is actually not allowing you to get that surgery you personally want because he has the power under the NHL CBA. That's what Buffalo did to Eichel, so bad, Eichel essentially had to get lawyers involved to make Buffalo trade him.

My point with Pettersson is that he's sort of forcing his way out like Eichel did. Just a lot more quietly right now, he can semi-demand or suggest a trade and watch Vancouver's strength in negotiating a deal plummet.

Is mental fragility a medical condition? Do we want that on the Wings?

It would give us something to complain about...

 

[Winger98]

The number of deals where a team has to take a package for their star would seem to outweigh the number of times they pull off a 1-for-1 swap. I doubt anyone gives Vancouver a Larkin level player for Pettersson or Miller, unless there is some baggage attached with that player (like the baggage attached to Pettersson being unhappy in the locker room and not getting along with a teammate or two).

If Vancouver is moving either of those guys they are likely either taking back a package of lesser players with some potential futures involved, or a package that is future heavy with picks/prospects.

My take is that Vancouver's GM should stay out of the media, and try to wait until the off-season to make any major move with Pettersson/Miller. What they might want is a new coach, and Tocchet's deal expires after this season - though he has an option he can pick up. I doubt he picks it up, though, if the team is clear about wanting to move on.

 

[ElProfessor]

i don't think there's any trade proposal we could entice them with unless it starts with one of larkin, seider, raymond, or edvinsson. vancouver are willing to move petterson - not desperate.

Maybe. We'll see. They seem like a franchise experiencing major buyer's remorse to me. And our best offer can only be called good or bad in relation to the next best offer they receive.

In any case. I wouldn't be happy to part with more than I laid out.

 

[Snuggs]

Is mental fragility a medical condition? Do we want that on the Wings?

It would give us something to complain about...

More of a personal perception than actual condition of fact.

 

[ElProfessor]

Tolerable... This particular forum doesn't like trades. ANY risk in a trade is a straight loss, and any 1st rdp gained is gold. (To people in here). The other thing is everyone's idea is stupid unless Yzerman/Red Wings do it. Suggesting trading Walman last year before he was dumped was sac-religious almost, then boom, as soon as Yzerman does something the rationalization kicked in from certain posters around here.

Many people do not care if Red Wings trade for the best player available, they rather stat watch kids for the draft and over in Europe, project kids' talents against HOF'ers and post on here about how the kid is doing and why they're smart for scouting this kid before he got good.

NONE of those names stop me from making a deal, it's just how big does the ballon blow up? If they wanted every name in that first line plus the pick I'd send it, idk how the money would work but whatever.

A deal almost certainly won't get made, Yzerman doesn't put pressure like this on himself, a move like this starts the clock vs being able to cruise into next season with "some" expectations. Fans will expect playoffs if a Pettersson move is made, if no moves are made... fans will buy into the idea of "building up" another season, even if it takes all next year. Also, not to mention, if a trade like that back-fires in anyway outside of catastrophic injury, it's a fire-able offense.

I wouldn't be willing to give up more than I laid out.

But as the deadline approaches...and they get ready to take the best deal... think of the players I listed ^ as Yzerman's hand in a card game.

He's got a pretty good hand.

I'd be surprised if we pulled it off...but not shocked.

If another team goes crazy, Yzerman will fold. But if the price at the end of the line is reasonable...he might take the hand.

 

[Snuggs]

I root for it, but it would completely shock me. I know with all the upside there is a lot of risk and the risk involves getting fired. It's a move you either look brilliant or stupid. Not much in-between. Yzerman's MO isn't really high-risk high reward.

Yzerman likes to give up crumbs(late round pick/mid tier prosepct) for a little piece of cheese like Nick Bjugstad or some player in the middle six.

 

[ElProfessor]

We're not making trades for this yr...and who knows what we'd give up...but...

Kasper---Larkin---Raymond
DeBrincat---Pettersson---Kane
Berggren---Compher---Tarasenko (maybe Danielson, Mazur)
Rasmussen---Copp---Veleno


Miller---Seider
Edvinsson---Johansson (maybe ASP)
Chiarot---Gustafsson

Talbot/Lyon

The way they're playing under McLellan...with those additions...and possibly some valuable late-season call-ups...that's an interesting playoff team THIS year

 

[FMichael]

I wouldn't be willing to give up more than I laid out.

But as the deadline approaches...and they get ready to take the best deal... think of the players I listed ^ as Yzerman's hand in a card game.

He's got a pretty good hand.

I'd be surprised if we pulled it off...but not shocked.

If another team goes crazy, Yzerman will fold. But if the price at the end of the line is reasonable...he might take the hand.

$11.6 is a big cap hit...Is he worth it? Will he have a positive impact?

Seems to me the Canucks have realized their mistake and want to offload him...Paying him substantially more $$$ than Larkin and likely getting less in return regarding on ice production would not be a good move for this franchise.

 

[ElProfessor]

$11.6 is a big cap hit...Is he worth it? Will he have a positive impact?

Seems to me the Canucks have realized their mistake and want to offload him...Paying him substantially more $$$ than Larkin and likely getting less in return regarding on ice production would not be a good move for this franchise.

We're not getting anymore top-3 picks, and we're a star or two away from having Stanley Cup potential.

You get a chance to get one...be it Pettersson in a trade...Marner/Rantanen this summer...Connor next summer... you don't feel bad about a little overpayment here or there, especially with the cap going up.

 

[Indrid Cold]

Imagine if Y had pried Necas away from Carolina.

 

[FMichael]

I root for it, but it would completely shock me. I know with all the upside there is a lot of risk and the risk involves getting fired. It's a move you either look brilliant or stupid. Not much in-between. Yzerman's MO isn't really high-risk high reward.

Yzerman likes to give up crumbs(late round pick/mid tier prosepct) for a little piece of cheese like Nick Bjugstad or some player in the middle six.

Or this guy...

 

[FMichael]

We're not getting anymore top-3 picks, and we're a star or two away from having Stanley Cup potential.

You get a chance to get one...be it Pettersson in a trade...Marner/Rantanen this summer...Connor next summer... you don't feel bad about a little overpayment here or there, especially with the cap going up.

I believe where the concern lies is what is Pettersson - is he a legit star, or an overpaid borderline 1st line centerman?

We're still a ways away from being a contender...I'd rather see us set aim for the WildCard spot this season and go from there instead of overpaying for a guy who may not fit the bill.

If anything I'd rather wait and see if the Ginger Giraffe aka Kyle Connor wants to finish his career at home.

 

[Snuggs]

Or this guy...

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I'd say this guy forced his way here too... Idk if anyone thought the deal was 'risky'.

*edit* I take that back, legitimately people on this board were mad Kubalik was involved. People wanted to keep him around here.

 

[FMichael]

I'd say this guy forced his way here too... Idk if anyone thought the deal was 'risky'.

*edit* I take that back, legitimately people on this board were mad Kubalik was involved. People wanted to keep him around here.

Well...For better, or worse Yzerman did part ways with Bertuzzi, Hronek, Mantha, and Vrana (lol).

While not 'big fish', but guys certainly more capable than 4th liners/bottom pair D.

 

[ElProfessor]

I believe where the concern lies is what is Pettersson - is he a legit star, or an overpaid borderline 1st line centerman?

We're still a ways away from being a contender...I'd rather see us set aim for the WildCard spot this season and go from there instead of overpaying for a guy who may not fit the bill.

If anything I'd rather wait and see if the Ginger Giraffe aka Kyle Connor wants to finish his career at home.

No reason we couldn't trade for Pettersson and sign Connor.

 

[FMichael]

No reason we couldn't trade for Pettersson and sign Connor.

Cap space?

 

[SirloinUB]

I struggle to see Cozens or Pettersson as good moves for the Red Wings.

Both players are paid premium salaries relative to their game/supposed role. Both are coming with real warts and questions around whether they can live up to those salaries and roles. On top of that both have enough pedigree that Buffalo/Van are going to want some premium pieces in return.

That's not to say I would be completely upset if we traded for either of them but both moves feel extremely risky.

 

[Detroit Knights]

Tolerable... This particular forum doesn't like trades. ANY risk in a trade is a straight loss, and any 1st rdp gained is gold. (To people in here). The other thing is everyone's idea is stupid unless Yzerman/Red Wings do it. Suggesting trading Walman last year before he was dumped was sac-religious almost, then boom, as soon as Yzerman does something the rationalization kicked in from certain posters around here.

Many people do not care if Red Wings trade for the best player available, they rather stat watch kids for the draft and over in Europe, project kids' talents against HOF'ers and post on here about how the kid is doing and why they're smart for scouting this kid before he got good.

NONE of those names stop me from making a deal, it's just how big does the ballon blow up? If they wanted every name in that first line plus the pick I'd send it, idk how the money would work but whatever.

A deal almost certainly won't get made, Yzerman doesn't put pressure like this on himself, a move like this starts the clock vs being able to cruise into next season with "some" expectations. Fans will expect playoffs if a Pettersson move is made, if no moves are made... fans will buy into the idea of "building up" another season, even if it takes all next year. Also, not to mention, if a trade like that back-fires in anyway outside of catastrophic injury, it's a fire-able offense.

Think I whole heartedly agree with everything said here. I was one of the ones that wanted to trade walman at the TDL and tbh I don’t remember what I was trying to include him in for (I think it was him and copp + picks for hanifin or markstrom?? Would have still done it lol).

Pettersson is going to net more than Eichel if traded but I don’t think it’s going to be earth shattering unless it’s a NJD or team that has bigger names (hischier was floating around I think?)

Pete guy who always seemed to be in the know suggested that the wings weren’t going after cozens but could have been going for Byram. I don’t hate it at all and was interested in him before Colorado traded him to buffalo.

A top 4 for a few years of:
Byram - seider
Ed - asp

Who would hate that? And I’m saying this as a massive ALJO homer too thinking he should be with Seider on the first line but that is a discussion for a later day lol

 

[SirloinUB]

Oliver Bjorgstrand would be a nice pick up.

A top 6 forward is more of a luxury than a defensive upgrade but with 1.5 years of term he'd be a nice acquisition