FWIW Penguins fans would want Berggren + 2nd. The 2nd would be their target with Berggren being a marginal sweetner from their POV
Id probably do that if we can get Pettersson on a 4-5 year contract at a reasonable AAV.
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FWIW Penguins fans would want Berggren + 2nd. The 2nd would be their target with Berggren being a marginal sweetner from their POV
Id probably do that if we can get Pettersson on a 4-5 year contract at a reasonable AAV.
agree - I've been thinking this could be a potential deal for a while. He's not flashy, but he's solid which I feel like is all we really need with Mo/Ed/ASP.
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erik gustafsson with 2 goals and 6 points in 7 games? i think he's looked decent. that play on the copp goal in chicago was pretty slick. i'm not saying i wanna keep him forever but i don't think he's a guy you make go away
He's mostly just the odd man out in a scenario where we land Pettersson, who fits into our young defensive group better imo.
I would think we could find someone who would give up something for Gus.
I think Pettersson's just another Chariot, holl, Gustafsson level guy...
We need something younger and potentially better I think
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He's closer to Damon Severson/Ryan Graves/Justin Faulk/Ryan Pulock as a guy that's best used as a #4 defender. Good defensively and can effectively move the puck up ice but he's not a dynamic offensive creator. He's better than any of the names you listed above, but you don't want him to be more than your #3 guy at max.
Yeah he may be a better fit..
I just see another 28/29 year old "meh" level guy..
My opinion only
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Sorry I meant Hart vote for Reimer, not Vezina. I knew he had a major nom just couldn't remember which one.
I don't know Matthews finished 3rd last year and I think he is not even Selke level at all. He has good takeway stats but when you watch him play and I have seen him a ton, I don't see Selke level defence, I see very similar to McDavid level play away from the puck. Again, McDrai gets votes here, almost as many as EP last season in Connor's case (6-3) and to me any award with media voters will never be a great way to award trophies. It should be GMs or coaches or players or a combo of that, not media members who many times vote because of what is the best story and not what is the best player.
I never said he wasn't good in his own end, but I don't think he is anywhere near the Barkov, Bergeron, Kopitar, ROR etc, level.
My issue with EP is his body language is pretty crappy at times, and there is major rumours of lack of compete at major times from coaches and the GM and Miller and likely whoever sides with Miller in the Van room. Still a great player, but not sure he is the right guy to pay big money too long term. Doesn't make him not still a great player, but there are plenty of great players that I am not always a fan of.
I want no part of whatever deal Pettersson will get in UFA if he gets there. To me he is another one of those guys who is ok/solid, but he isn't great at anything and he will want big money, more than Chiarot for sure. Not sure he is all that much better than Chiarot either.
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We will need RD upgrade more than LD like Pettersson.
ASP is not here yet, and there's extra lefties to move on that side. RD upgrade is the real need.
ASP is not here yet, and there's extra lefties to move on that side. RD upgrade is the real need.
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None of these moves should be made for this season alone. So any addition we should be looking for at least 3-5+ years of play. ASP will be here in that span.
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very interesting the discourse in here the past few pages. but just to throw it out there:
-Cozens would be our 3rd line center and I would hope copp got traded in the package for cozens (wouldn't hate getting him and would hope for some type of third party to eat 1-2 mil of salary if at all possible)
-EP would be 1a/1b with larkin. Right now, Larkin has been used as the 1C, but with EP we have an interchangeable line (not position). Coach has said he likes pairing players together and changing out the third, so raymond and larkin stay together, whether that is 1st or 2nd line and EP would have cat or kane, or even tarasenko if tank can keep up
-Would not want JT Miller and he just doesn't make sense for what Yzerman has said. Yzerman has said he would not pay the 7 mil type money on older players that don't fit the age window, which he has said multiple times is larkin and younger. JT just does not fit there at all with his age and length of contract.
Random thought, have we thought about EP being a winger? He is supposed to be a center, I understand this. But you can use him on the wing too. If he is that bad at face-offs (someone said/suggested that a few pages back, I did not look at his stats), then don't use him there. Maybe pair him with Compher, throw Kasper and all of a sudden, you have a second line of EP - Compher - Kasper that could probably do some damage out there.
Would not hate (and if any of you say you would, you just are a self-hating wings fan lol):
Kasper - Larkin - Raymond
Cat - EP/compher - Kane
EP/Compher/rasmussen - EP/Compher - Tank
(personally, don't think cat - EP - kane line would work very well but whatever thought I'd throw it out there)
p.s. I saw someone in a previous page put hague in our defense. I sure hope that is not the same hague that was on this team 2-3 years ago because I will vomit in your mouth to get you to stop ever suggesting that again. (I do think it is a different player but in the event it isn't, you have now been warned my good sir!)
-Cozens would be our 3rd line center and I would hope copp got traded in the package for cozens (wouldn't hate getting him and would hope for some type of third party to eat 1-2 mil of salary if at all possible)
-EP would be 1a/1b with larkin. Right now, Larkin has been used as the 1C, but with EP we have an interchangeable line (not position). Coach has said he likes pairing players together and changing out the third, so raymond and larkin stay together, whether that is 1st or 2nd line and EP would have cat or kane, or even tarasenko if tank can keep up
-Would not want JT Miller and he just doesn't make sense for what Yzerman has said. Yzerman has said he would not pay the 7 mil type money on older players that don't fit the age window, which he has said multiple times is larkin and younger. JT just does not fit there at all with his age and length of contract.
Random thought, have we thought about EP being a winger? He is supposed to be a center, I understand this. But you can use him on the wing too. If he is that bad at face-offs (someone said/suggested that a few pages back, I did not look at his stats), then don't use him there. Maybe pair him with Compher, throw Kasper and all of a sudden, you have a second line of EP - Compher - Kasper that could probably do some damage out there.
Would not hate (and if any of you say you would, you just are a self-hating wings fan lol):
Kasper - Larkin - Raymond
Cat - EP/compher - Kane
EP/Compher/rasmussen - EP/Compher - Tank
(personally, don't think cat - EP - kane line would work very well but whatever thought I'd throw it out there)
p.s. I saw someone in a previous page put hague in our defense. I sure hope that is not the same hague that was on this team 2-3 years ago because I will vomit in your mouth to get you to stop ever suggesting that again. (I do think it is a different player but in the event it isn't, you have now been warned my good sir!)
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that is assuming Yzerman has changed his stance on what this team is. I think it was the lalonde firing press conference (it was definitely after Christmas sometime) that he was getting all testy when asked if this team could win and he almost did the old indianapolis colts coach answer (PLAYOFFS??!??) and said no this team ain't going to win a cup, but he thought we were competing for the wild card.
If changing the coach and going on a little run changes his mind for us being above wild card and competing for the cup, then I would highly suggest he was on some type of ayhuasca or whatever and question his ability to judge this team lol.
for context, i suppose, I don't think he has wildly changed his opinion on where we should be in the standings. I believe he just put this teams boat back in the right direction with the coaching change. Now, he gives us an upgrade in the rutters with a "solid" trade. (go ahead and interpret solid however you guys want, but I would suggest that would be a defensive D player and/or cozens level player)
thank you for clearing that up as I could not remember which one it was.
....inshallah, yzerman knows the difference too lmao
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For Elias Pettersson.
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-1 of: Danielson/Kasper/MBN/'25 1st
-1 of: Mazur/Buchelnikov/Wallinder/Johansson
-1 or 2 of: Kiiskinen, Finnie, Buium, Lombardi, Soderblom
-Some collection of 2nd and later Rd picks.
-Any they want of: Berggren, Rasmussen, Veleno, Chiarot, Gustafsson, Tarasenko, Compher, Copp
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Something like that ^ would be enough, correct?
And roughly speaking, tolerable, right?
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-1 of: Danielson/Kasper/MBN/'25 1st
-1 of: Mazur/Buchelnikov/Wallinder/Johansson
-1 or 2 of: Kiiskinen, Finnie, Buium, Lombardi, Soderblom
-Some collection of 2nd and later Rd picks.
-Any they want of: Berggren, Rasmussen, Veleno, Chiarot, Gustafsson, Tarasenko, Compher, Copp
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Something like that ^ would be enough, correct?
And roughly speaking, tolerable, right?
For K'Andre Miller.
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-Some collection of 2nd and later Rd picks.
-Any they want of: Berggren, Rasmussen, Veleno, Chiarot, Gustafsson, Tarasenko, Compher, Copp.
-1 of Buium, Lombardi, Soderblom.
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Again...something like that ^ would be enough and tolerable for us, right?
I think we should make both moves.
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-Some collection of 2nd and later Rd picks.
-Any they want of: Berggren, Rasmussen, Veleno, Chiarot, Gustafsson, Tarasenko, Compher, Copp.
-1 of Buium, Lombardi, Soderblom.
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Again...something like that ^ would be enough and tolerable for us, right?
I think we should make both moves.
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i don't think there's any trade proposal we could entice them with unless it starts with one of larkin, seider, raymond, or edvinsson. vancouver are willing to move petterson - not desperate.
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Jack Eichel didn't even get moved for a player like that.
Vancouver is avoiding disaster by Pettersson not openly asking for a trade yet. His NTC kicks in after this season when they'll be saddled to his contract. One of Miller/Pettersson seemly... has to go.
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apples to oranges. buffalo was desperate to move eichel. vancouver to this point has shown no desperation.
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It's not, both players don't like where they play. If Pettersson was having a good time these rumors wouldn't be around.
YOU aren't paying attention to what's going on in Vancouver if you think everything is cool with Miller/Pettersson situation. They're real close to being tied down in 20 million on two guys that don't like each other, this is the only year they can get out under those contracts on "there terms" somewhat. Before No trade clauses kick in and youd' have to trade these players where they want to be vs shopping the best open market deal.
Now you'll have to pay to play, and other teams could out bid Red Wings, but a deal most certainly doesn't hinge on those four players. Even with the Islander rumors, I'll clue people in, Islanders aren't moving Horvat/Barzal back in a trade for Pettersson trade. Buium/Cozens was the best offer I've seen fans make up for Pettersson so far.
We'll see what type of haul a trade for Pettersson nets. I'm just giving my best guesses so who knows, maybe he nets a collection of players like you mentioned just not from the Red Wings.
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Eichel had a substantial medical issue and one that some teams felt the same as Buffalo in terms of treatment on. I don't think he is the best comparison, but I agree that Pettersson won't garner the return most on this board especially in Vancouver will wish for. Much like Cozens won't cost as much as Buffalo fans seem to think.
On Cozens I am interested, but I view his best position as a winger at this point. I don't think his offensive game works spectacularly at center.
On Cozens I am interested, but I view his best position as a winger at this point. I don't think his offensive game works spectacularly at center.
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Tolerable... This particular forum doesn't like trades. ANY risk in a trade is a straight loss, and any 1st rdp gained is gold. (To people in here). The other thing is everyone's idea is stupid unless Yzerman/Red Wings do it. Suggesting trading Walman last year before he was dumped was sac-religious almost, then boom, as soon as Yzerman does something the rationalization kicked in from certain posters around here.
Many people do not care if Red Wings trade for the best player available, they rather stat watch kids for the draft and over in Europe, project kids' talents against HOF'ers and post on here about how the kid is doing and why they're smart for scouting this kid before he got good.
NONE of those names stop me from making a deal, it's just how big does the ballon blow up? If they wanted every name in that first line plus the pick I'd send it, idk how the money would work but whatever.
A deal almost certainly won't get made, Yzerman doesn't put pressure like this on himself, a move like this starts the clock vs being able to cruise into next season with "some" expectations. Fans will expect playoffs if a Pettersson move is made, if no moves are made... fans will buy into the idea of "building up" another season, even if it takes all next year. Also, not to mention, if a trade like that back-fires in anyway outside of catastrophic injury, it's a fire-able offense.
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