24/25 Waivers/Rumors/TDL Thread.

[schuelma24]

Marco is only 20, looking at the wings realistic window, I would rather they keep Marco over Cozens.

I think in 3 years time, Kasper will be the 2C on the wings, if not sooner, and in the long run, a more valuable player to the wings.

I don't disagree, but we also have Danielson who right now I would say is slightly more likely to be the 2C.

 

[TheOctopusKid]

I wonder if there has been any mention of BUF or DET scouts in attendance for the DET/WAS or BUF/STL game

 

[SirloinUB]

I was suggesting it was something more in line of a talent for talent and need for need trade. That said, Detroit also has a dire need for centers. With ASP coming into the fold next season, they still need an anchor for that 2nd pairing. BB would be it. Both teams have huge holes to fill, this trade would help them fill a hole, while creating another. haha. < This is where Yzerman's UFA signings have failed. He intended for Copp to be the #2 center and Chiarot to anchor the 2nd pairing.

Veleno is a dime a dozen bottom 6 player.

Cozens has panned out as well as Rasmussen.

This is just my opinion but I don't think Yzerman viewed those guys as legit 2C/4D. I think they were viewed as placeholders in those roles that can (and have) raised the floor of this team while we drafted/developed guys (like Kasper, Danielson Wallinder, ASP, AlJo etc.) to take those roles

 

[heyfolks]

This is just my opinion but I don't think Yzerman viewed those guys as legit 2C/4D. I think they were viewed as placeholders in those roles that can (and have) raised the floor of this team while we drafted/developed guys (like Kasper, Danielson Wallinder, ASP, AlJo etc.) to take those roles

Could be, but IMO their contracts say otherwise. Copp is 5.65 for 5 and Chiarot is 4.7 for four.

 

[Barry Amsterdam]

what would everyone give for a Cozens+Samuelsson package.

I think i’d give Compher, MBN, Augustine, Willander 2nd


Samuelsson would be a nice pair for ASP

Cozens fill in the second line.

 

[SirloinUB]

Could be, but IMO their contracts say otherwise. Copp is 5.65 for 5 and Chiarot is 4.7 for four.

That's just the cost of business to add veterans via UFA signing.

 

[RabidBadger]

what would everyone give for a Cozens+Samuelsson package.

I think i’d give Compher, MBN, Augustine, Willander 2nd


Samuelsson would be a nice pair for ASP

Cozens fill in the second line.

Vancouver would be very upset if we traded their prospect to Buffalo.

 

[19 for president]

That's just the cost of business to add veterans via UFA signing.

Agreed to some extent. I do think Stevie hoped Copp would be more offensively inclined than he has been. He went for the cheaper less proven of the vet options and it hasn't worked out entirely as hoped. He was hoping for more of the production he saw with Panarin than what he came out with. The biggest sign of this expectation being the Compher signing the next year.

Copp and Compher may have also been the only guys willing to sign with the Wings in that group. I mean the Wings had just come off some absolutely abysmal seasons and didn't look to be getting better anytime soon. Not a lot of vets want to sign with teams like that.

Chiarot is less overpaid than people think. Chiarot is an ok #4 but he needs a good partner. The problem is that in Detroit he is often overmatched. He can't play Seider top line minutes and when he hasn't been with Seider he has been the best dman on his pair which doesn't work either. I honestly think if we held say 1.25 for the remaining 2 seasons a lot of teams would be interested in him. He's the prototypical dman that teams overpay for at the deadline.

 

[heyfolks]

That's just the cost of business to add crappy veterans via UFA signing.

my EDIT LOL@

 

[redwingsfannn9191]

Puljujarvi on waivers lol almost tempted to move likes of fischer motte now since theyll be gone anyways and pick him up and soderblom and fit in a way for watson as well

2 6'4 guys and 6'8 lol add some big boys on this team

Rasmussen Larkin raymond
Debrincat compher kane
Soderblom kasper berggren
Veleno Copp puljujarvi
Watson

Move fischer motte tarasenko/veleno asap

Again, Yes I'm well aware we wont claim him im just tempted lol

 

[OldnotDeadWings]

Their versatility was also a big part of why Copp and JT were signed. They've both been middle six wingers with good teams and arguably better as wingers. The 2C role for one and then the other was probably thought of as temporary until first-round Cs or a better acquisition showed up.. Also PK ability, which helped last season, not so much this season yet. They're prototypical vanilla players, valued more by coaches than fans.

 

[ShanahanMan]

Puljujarvi on waivers lol almost tempted to move likes of fischer motte now since theyll be gone anyways and pick him up and soderblom and fit in a way for watson as well

2 6'4 guys and 6'8 lol add some big boys on this team

Rasmussen Larkin raymond
Debrincat compher kane
Soderblom kasper berggren
Veleno Copp puljujarvi
Watson

Move fischer motte tarasenko/veleno asap

Again, Yes I'm well aware we wont claim him im just tempted lol

I would absolutely pick him up.

 

[Gniwder]

I would absolutely pick him up.

For sure. Poolparty is better than Motte. Send Motte to GR, then figure out the lineup from there, coach's choice.

That's just the cost of business to add veterans via UFA signing.

It's not the cost that's the issue, it's the choice of players.

 

[DamonDRW]

what would everyone give for a Cozens+Samuelsson package.

I think i’d give Compher, MBN, Augustine, Willander 2nd


Samuelsson would be a nice pair for ASP

Cozens fill in the second line.

Augustine and MBN must stay

 

[Peter Tosh]

what would everyone give for a Cozens+Samuelsson package.

I think i’d give Compher, MBN, Augustine, Willander 2nd


Samuelsson would be a nice pair for ASP

Cozens fill in the second line.

- Berggren, Albert and a Tuomisto/Viro prospect for Samuelsson
- Cozens - IDK, 7 year deal, two last seasons statistically declining, after signing a long term deal. >7 AAV. Buffalo would have to take back someone like Holl and or Husso. Not sure this is a good fit. Probably expensive to aquire, and I would not roll the dice by offering Augustine (who might be better than Cossa) and MBN for what could turn out to be a younger but more expensive version of Andrew Copp

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

I'll play along.


No way Detroit trades Kasper for Cozens. Lol what? They would want Cozens plus a first and maybe even more.

Play all you want. But your comment isn't based on reality. Not sure why you quoted me for this nonsense?

 

[SirloinUB]

For sure. Poolparty is better than Motte. Send Motte to GR, then figure out the lineup from there, coach's choice.


It's not the cost that's the issue, it's the choice of players.

I don't think yzerman had his pick of the litter in 2022. As a rebuilding team, in a winter city and, not a low tax state most guys wouldn't have want to come here. Like it or not, I suspect Yzerman's options were very limited.

And the cost is the issue because Copp, Compher and Chairot are all useful pieces, theyre just overpaid and over slotted.

Either way Yzerman was about 12M below the cap floor when he signed Copp and Chairot so he had to spend some significant cap dollars.

 

[heyfolks]

Play all you want. But your comment isn't based on reality. Not sure why you quoted me for this nonsense?

No way Buffalo trades Cozens for Ras. Lol what? They would want Kasper plus a first and maybe even more.

No need to go back and forth, but my point was your take was no more, or less, nonsensical than my own. Not a team in the League is giving up a 20 yo top 10 pick, plus a potential lottery #1 pick AND more for Cozens. He will be 24 in February is 8-11-19 for the year at a -6 clip. Of course, the Sabres suck, but you are wildly over valuing the guy.

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I stand by my Ras comparison. LOL!

 

[Gniwder]

I don't think yzerman had his pick of the litter in 2022. As a rebuilding team, in a winter city and, not a low tax state most guys wouldn't have want to come here. Like it or not, I suspect Yzerman's options were very limited.

And the cost is the issue because Copp, Compher and Chairot are all useful pieces, theyre just overpaid and over slotted.

Either way Yzerman was about 12M below the cap floor when he signed Copp and Chairot so he had to spend some significant cap dollars.

Cost and choice of player goes hand in hand, because in the end it's about value.

Trochek wouldn't have signed with Detroit, but maybe Strome? Then we'd have the Cat/Strome/Kane line from the Blackhawks. Strome is definitely a better value than Copp.

Chiarot doesn't bother me as much, $1M retention and he's tradeable as a 4D. I just wish Stevie had traded for Graves instead of Leddy, because he would have made a better partner for Hronek or Seider. That would have prevented the need to sign Chiarot. Graves is a true stay at home D, whereas Chiarot just does his own thing.

 

[tabness]

Pulju should come here and completely turn it around to make up for Zadina

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Just google Zack Werenski trade rumors (in the last yr). You'll get a page full of local reporters speculating x,y,z. Maybe bs. Maybe actual smoke.

You made the claim, why do I have to search?

You post the rumors.

 

[odin1981]

Rasmussen contributes enough for what his role on the team and cap hit are. Not sure why he's being mentioned here.

And Compher's not been that far off from a $5M player in Detroit, barring a slow first half of this season (though he is still 0.5ppg despite that). I anticipate an overall improvement in the team with McLellan so Compher should be better going forward too.

Both of those guys play at or near their respective cap hits, Cozens has not played like a $7M player in a while. Granted he's also been on a bad team but either way there's no indication yet that he'll return to what he showed in his 68pt season. It'd be one thing to take out a flyer on a struggling high cap hit player with only a couple years left under contract, I just think there's too much risk in taking on such a player who still has term on their contract. Don't want to be holding that bag when Edvinsson, ASP, Cossa, etc need to get paid.

The real dead weight contracts are Copp, Tarasenko, Kane, Holl, Petry, Gustafsson, and Husso (26.87M combined). Chiarot, while not quite dead weight, is slightly overpaid at 4.75M but not by much. And then there's still Abdelkader's 1M buyout cost. All of these things expire within the next 2 years. So as more and more youth on ELC contracts are incorporated into the team over the next couple years, we'll also be freeing up 32M+ in cap space. That's a great position to be in. Better to reserve that money to pay Edvinsson and Co. and have some set aside to go after bigger free agents rather than taking on a big risk with an expensive reclamation project.

Kane was hurt the first 15-20 games of the
year. But he is not a dead weight contract. He is the new vet former star like Alfie was finishing out his career.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Kane was hurt the first 15-20 games of the
year. But he is not a dead weight contract. He is the new vet former star like Alfie was finishing out his career.

I agree, he's not dead weight contract. He picks where he goes, based on cap hit, retention, etc.

 

[LongTimeDRWF]

I don't disagree, but we also have Danielson who right now I would say is slightly more likely to be the 2C.

True, but not likely in 3 years time (2 seasons from now), I see the 3 being somewhat interchangeable over the next 8-10 years (Larks, Kasper and Danielson) depending stage of their careers.

If Kasper is not the 2C by next season, assuming Nat is a FT wing at the start of next season, it will take him a couple of seasons to catch up to Marco and move him down. By then the 2/3 lines should be very close anyway.

 

[ElProfessor]

You made the claim, why do I have to search?

You post the rumors.

We're done.