24/25 Waivers/Rumors/TDL Thread.

Peter Tosh

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I saw an interview on Swedish TV with Jonathan Ericsson a couple of weeks ago during a Red Wings game. He talked about his last seasons as a Wing and mentioned how some of the young players had bad attitudes, noting that some of them would still be really happy after scoring 1+1, even if the team lost. His analysis was that teams today place more focus on scouting for attitude issues than before. This made me think about the difference between the Holland guys (AA, Mantha, Svech, Smith, Mrazek, and Zadina) and the SY guys (Seider, Raymond, Edvinsson, Kasper, Cossa, and Augustine). It feels like the prevalence of bad attitudes among young players has dropped in recent years, and I don’t think it’s just because of drafting higher. For example, SY asking Kirby Dach if he smokes w$$d shows the increased level of scrutiny in the mental due diligence now being done.
 

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I saw an interview on Swedish TV with Jonathan Ericsson a couple of weeks ago during a Red Wings game. He talked about his last seasons as a Wing and mentioned how some of the young players had bad attitudes, noting that some of them would still be really happy after scoring 1+1, even if the team lost. His analysis was that teams today place more focus on scouting for attitude issues than before. This made me think about the difference between the Holland guys (AA, Mantha, Svech, Smith, Mrazek, and Zadina) and the SY guys (Seider, Raymond, Edvinsson, Kasper, Cossa, and Augustine). It feels like the prevalence of bad attitudes among young players has dropped in recent years, and I don’t think it’s just because of drafting higher. For example, SY asking Kirby Dach if he smokes w$$d shows the increased level of scrutiny in the mental due diligence now being done.

I am not surprised that Yzerman only has Larkin left from that group. I just hope Yzerman doesn't over do it in lieu of skill. You don't want Athanesiou but you can't expect every guy to be Larkin/Ras either.

This stat line is wild though:
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I am not surprised that Yzerman only has Larkin left from that group. I just hope Yzerman doesn't over do it in lieu of skill. You don't want Athanesiou but you can't expect every guy to be Larkin/Ras either.

This stat line is wild though:
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You could expect every guy to be Ras, ain't nothing special there.
 

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I am not surprised that Yzerman only has Larkin left from that group. I just hope Yzerman doesn't over do it in lieu of skill. You don't want Athanesiou but you can't expect every guy to be Larkin/Ras either.

This stat line is wild though:
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You need a certain base level of self-awareness and professionalism (or "character" as the kids say) in your picks.
 

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You need a certain base level of self-awareness and professionalism (or "character" as the kids say) in your picks.
Agreed. You also need an established base of leaders with the right kind of character to ground any mid guys you bring in. You still don't want the real rotten apples but you can afford a guy or two who needs to be grounded by those around him a bit.

That 19-20 team basically had no one. It can't all be grinders and 3rd pair dmen. You need some of your top guys to be those true character guys. Luckily I think we have that now in Larks, Seider, and Ray.
 

Oddbob

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He has really improved. He's what Holl was expected to be.

He does, but not as bad as Petry.

Honestly? I'd take him. He and Chiarot could be a pairing of PURE CHAOS!

You guys must be looking at different stats than the ones I see. Even when watching him play he looks bad. Where has he improved? Last 48 GP he is -13 with 18 minutes a game. Philly is similar to us in lack of talent and poor blueline. What was his good season in any of the past 5 seasons?

Petry makes 2.75 for the rest of this season and then is gone. Risto makes near double that for 2 more seasons past this one. It is also sadly debatable that he is even better than Petry.
 

FlyguyOX

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You guys must be looking at different stats than the ones I see. Even when watching him play he looks bad. Where has he improved? Last 48 GP he is -13 with 18 minutes a game. Philly is similar to us in lack of talent and poor blueline. What was his good season in any of the past 5 seasons?

Petry makes 2.75 for the rest of this season and then is gone. Risto makes near double that for 2 more seasons past this one. It is also sadly debatable that he is even better than Petry.
He plays within himself now with simple plays, and he brings size and snarl which wings have been lacking for a long time now outside of Seider.

This is last season, slightly worse this season but flyers have been a monstrosity so not surprising.

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