Salary Cap: 24-25 Salary Thread Crosbicles Volume MXVI: Sad Penguins, no Ploffs, got tariffed instead

[Gurglesons]

You mean like Mikael Granlund in San Jose?

I'm not sure what the argument is here exactly.

Granlund has 21 points in 30 games with Dallas and just returned a 1st and a 4th in a package deal for Ceci.

If you want to pretend that there wasn't a role here for him still that's fine, but Sullivan using him as a 3rd line defensive center was moronic.

 

[66-30-33]

Sullivan moronic.

Those 2 words go hand in hand.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Interested in Laf but not the price suggested. Remove Koivunen and I am in.

Sam Bennet - wanted him from the Flames. For Guentzel and a 1st - glad we didn't.
The magic beans we got for Guentzel looking good so far.

I really hope Dubas has an active summer.

 

[Pancakes]

Watching both young wingers in McGroarty and Koivunen, Pens are in good shape there. Keep in mind both are so young and will mature and gain size and strength. Both are very instinctual for how little experience they have and appear to have a good hockey IQ. I was all set to dump Malkin but if he has Koivunen and Rakell as his wingers, I think that can be a very good second line. Koivunen, McGroarty, Ponomarev and Broz will be here next year and they can add to the existing players in Tomasino, Novak.

I'm pleased with what I've seen from both of them so far but I hope people pump the breaks on the hype train with them a bit. The NHL is a really damned hard league to be good in. I feel like a lot of fans have them penciled in as effective top 9 players next year and it would not surprise me if they bounce between the NHL and AHL next year and endure some struggles. That won't mean they're busts - just that it's hard af to succeed in the NHL.

People do this thing sometimes where prospects have a good stretch at the end of the season and assume that means that they'll be able to carry that through next year for a full season.

 

[Gurglesons]

I'm pleased with what I've seen from both of them so far but I hope people pump the breaks on the hype train with them a bit. The NHL is a really damned hard league to be good in. I feel like a lot of fans have them penciled in as effective top 9 players next year and it would not surprise me if they bounce between the NHL and AHL next year and endure some struggles. That won't mean they're busts - just that it's hard af to succeed in the NHL.

People do this thing sometimes where prospects have a good stretch at the end of the season and assume that means that they'll be able to carry that through next year for a full season.

McGroarty has exuded NHL player since he was a kid.

Not saying he'll be a top six option or anything. I actually kind of doubt it to be honest outside of in a way that Bryan Rust is a top six option with an elite center.

But, he just has the build, the attitude and the game.

Koivunen seems like a tweener. I don't really see what his role is on a team that is actually trying to compete.

Be very interested to see what Broz looks like when he comes up. I think he's the one that could surprise us own in the A.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I don't see any reason to pre-emptively say that Koivunen and McGroarty are going to have issues next year, Koivunen was one of the AHL's top scorers this year and McGroarty's game is so well rounded that he's basically a lock to stick as a NHLer. I would be really surprised for either of them to spend a significant amount of time in the AHL next year.

I think there's a reasonable middle ground between "he'll be successful as a top-6 forward" and "he'll be shuttling between the NHL and AHL due to struggles" that should be expected out of those guys.

 

[Andy99]

So basically everyone we want to win tonight is losing already…F u Pens for not losing more earlier…

 

[GilbertSeinfeld]

So basically everyone we want to win tonight is losing already…F u Pens for not losing more earlier…

They played for pride!!!!!11

 

[JackFr]

I'm not sure what the argument is here exactly.

Granlund has 21 points in 30 games with Dallas and just returned a 1st and a 4th in a package deal for Ceci.

If you want to pretend that there wasn't a role here for him still that's fine, but Sullivan using him as a 3rd line defensive center was moronic.

In fairness... Granlund has been a defensive disaster in Dallas. Worst numbers in the league since the trade. Hindsight has not made the 2023 Granlund trade any less stupid -- he was meant to play big minutes on a shitty team and Dallas was dumb enough to trade a premium asset for him and a different crappy player.

 

[Gurglesons]

In fairness... Granlund has been a defensive disaster in Dallas. Worst numbers in the league since the trade. Hindsight has not made the 2023 Granlund trade any less stupid -- he was meant to play big minutes on a shitty team and Dallas was dumb enough to trade a premium asset for him and a different crappy player.

Nobody argued the trade wasn’t stupid.

The issue is the trade was stupid and then our utilization of him was stupid.

 

[GilbertSeinfeld]

Too bad Hextall isn't the a GM somewhere else in the NHL now, he'd be ready to ruin another team by now.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

I'm not sure what the argument is here exactly.

Granlund has 21 points in 30 games with Dallas and just returned a 1st and a 4th in a package deal for Ceci.

If you want to pretend that there wasn't a role here for him still that's fine, but Sullivan using him as a 3rd line defensive center was moronic.

Mikael Granlund wasn't going to replace Sidney Crosby, Evgeni Malkin, Jake Guentzel, Rickard Rakell, Bryan Rust, or Jason Zucker in the top six. Not when they're all in the midst of 20+ goal seasons and not when they all played 78+ games.

Granlund had success in San Jose because someone needed to score.

He's had some offensive success so far in Dallas because he's riding the coattails of Matt Duchene and Mason Marchmant.

Granlund never should have been acquired. Pinning his usage on Sullivan when the real issue was Ron Hextall burning $5 million in cap and a 2nd round pick for a guy who didn't fit on the roster is just ridiculous.

So, yeah, context to a player's production and time on ice is important. If Ron Hextall understood that, maybe he'd still be employed.

 

[eXile3]

Mikael Granlund wasn't going to replace Sidney Crosby, Evgeni Malkin, Jake Guentzel, Rickard Rakell, Bryan Rust, or Jason Zucker in the top six. Not when they're all in the midst of 20+ goal seasons and not when they all played 78+ games.

Granlund had success in San Jose because someone needed to score.

He's had some offensive success so far in Dallas because he's riding the coattails of Matt Duchene and Mason Marchmant.

Granlund never should have been acquired. Pinning his usage on Sullivan when the real issue was Ron Hextall burning $5 million in cap and a 2nd round pick for a guy who didn't fit on the roster is just ridiculous.

So, yeah, context to a player's production and time on ice is important. If Ron Hextall understood that, maybe he'd still be employed.

Granlund played pretty well in the four nations as well. I didn’t like the trade at the time but in retrospect a decent coach would have been able to use him correctly. He’s just another in a long list of players that do better when they get away from Sully.

 

[Turin]

Granlund was also in the middle of a pretty bad season and apparently a divorce.

 

[cygnus47]

I'm pleased with what I've seen from both of them so far but I hope people pump the breaks on the hype train with them a bit. The NHL is a really damned hard league to be good in. I feel like a lot of fans have them penciled in as effective top 9 players next year and it would not surprise me if they bounce between the NHL and AHL next year and endure some struggles. That won't mean they're busts - just that it's hard af to succeed in the NHL.

People do this thing sometimes where prospects have a good stretch at the end of the season and assume that means that they'll be able to carry that through next year for a full season.

Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if it takes a couple months for them to get called up permanently, or they are up and down next year. Even Guentzel went up and down at a similar age.

 

[Ryder71]

So basically everyone we want to win tonight is losing already…F u Pens for not losing more earlier…

A dark cloud is mistakeably hanging over the the city of Pittsburgh tonight.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

Granlund played pretty well in the four nations as well. I didn’t like the trade at the time but in retrospect a decent coach would have been able to use him correctly. He’s just another in a long list of players that do better when they get away from Sully.

We're talking three seasons ago at this point. He was terrible in Nashville before the trade.

Sometimes players need a reset. Sometimes they need particular usage to regain their confidence. It's up to management to identify players who fit the team's needs and how the player could be used within the team.

There was zero reason for Granlund to be a Penguin that season.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

Granlund was also in the middle of a pretty bad season and apparently a divorce.

Which is another reason why he should have never been acquired. Good GMs do their homework instead of panicking at the deadline.

 

[Gurglesons]

The rebuild is on. The Penguins gonna draft 9th lol.

Dubas can’t even get this team to suck right.

 

[Ryder71]

9th OA is exactly where you don't wanna be. 21 f***in secs from guaranteed 8th!

 

[Turin]

9th OA is exactly where you don't wanna be. 21 f***in secs from guaranteed 8th!

Decent chance they still draft 7

 

[Ryder71]

Decent chance they still draft 7

Better chance they draft 9th.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

The rebuild is on. The Penguins gonna draft 9th lol.

Dubas can’t even get this team to suck right.

Unless Anaheim beats Winnipeg tomorrow, the Penguins won't finish any worse than 8th.

Depending on whether Seattle rallies tonight and how the Flyers/Sabres game unfolds on Thursday, the Pens can still climb a spot or two.

 

[Gurglesons]

Unless Anaheim beats Winnipeg tomorrow, the Penguins won't finish any worse than 8th.

Depending on whether Seattle rallies tonight and how the Flyers/Sabres game unfolds on Thursday, the Pens can still climb a spot or two.

Penguins beat Caps and we are 9th.

Regardless, 7th-9th overall is not the goal this season. You burned a 90 pt season from Crosby to get what is likely a mid prospect.

Gotta hope the Petts 1st turns into something.

 

[Tasty Biscuits]

People do this thing sometimes where prospects have a good stretch at the end of the season and assume that means that they'll be able to carry that through next year for a full season

End of the season? You mean...preseason? Lest we forget the legendary "Joe Morrow is God" thread . Similar break-pumping needs to be applied to Brunicke as well -- yeah it's a good showing so far, but that's all it is.