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Salary Cap: 24-25 Salary Thread Crosbicles Volume MXVI: Sad Penguins, no Ploffs, got tariffed instead

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GilbertSeinfeld said:
I would 100% take Laf on the Pens.

He's exactly the type of player Dubas talked about wanting to acquire.
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Maybe, but you don't need to get ripped off in the process do you? Besides, it's a divisional opponent. For a trade of that caliber we're not good trade partners anyhow.
 
I'd rather they take their time and get rid of these bad contracts, slowly work the AHL guys into spots, and go after Eichel when he's a FA. Let's Sid slide to line 2, and gives a full season for hopefully a 2025 drafted C to get ready in the AHL for a season.

It's going to take more than this upcoming offseason to fix the defense and goaltending situation. So have one more really bad year, keep the McKenna potential alive, then go after Eichel, LTIR Letang, trade or buyout Jarry and Graves. Watch Sullivan fumble everything. Boom success..... Wait.
 
f*** Laf, f*** Laviolette
and f*** the Rangers as a staff, record label, and as a motherf***in' crew..

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Ryder71 said:
Maybe, but you don't need to get ripped off in the process do you? Besides, it's a divisional opponent. For a trade of that caliber we're not good trade partners anyhow.
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I wouldn't overpay, heck no.

If the price is right, though, absolutely.
 
Koivunen and Brunicke are the crux of that deal. We won't conclusively know how good or bad that deal is for years. Early indications are favorable for those fine young gentlemen however.
 
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Ryder71 said:
Koivunen and Brunicke are the crux of that deal. We won't conclusively know how good or bad that deal is for years. Early indications are favorable for those fine young gentlemen however.
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Getting two players who in an absolutely high ceiling are still complimentary for what will likely be the most valuable trade asset we have in this initial “first wave” of the rebuild will prolong the rebuild.
 
Gurglesons said:
Getting two players who in an absolutely high ceiling are still complimentary for what will likely be the most valuable trade asset we have in this initial “first wave” of the rebuild will prolong the rebuild.
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It was gonna take years regardless. Unless we get core pieces each of the next two or three drafts it'll take even longer. We have to make any high draft picks count. Drafting and developing is paramount now. Instead of augmenting our current core with trades and propping them up for one more run.
 
Ryder71 said:
It was gonna take years regardless. Unless we get core pieces each of the next two or three drafts it'll take even longer. We have to make any high draft picks count. Drafting and developing is paramount now. Instead of augmenting our current core with trades and propping them up for one more run.
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Which has always been my argument with the return we got for Guentzel.

We should've been targeting 1st round picks or can't miss prospects. Blake, Nadeau, Morrow, Nikishin all still remaining with the Canes is very frustrating. Especially when you see Horvat, Nelson, and other UFAs returning that type of value in the bookended deadlines around Jake.

People were propping up Ponomarev as a great piece in the trade. Look at him now. Koivunen looks good. I'm curious to see him after a full season if he isn't getting 1st line minutes and top PP time.
 
Gurglesons said:
Which has always been my argument with the return we got for Guentzel.

We should've been targeting 1st round picks or can't miss prospects. Blake, Nadeau, Morrow, Nikishin all still remaining with the Canes is very frustrating. Especially when you see Horvat, Nelson, and other UFAs returning that type of value in the bookended deadlines around Jake.

People were propping up Ponomarev as a great piece in the trade. Look at him now. Koivunen looks good. I'm curious to see him after a full season if he isn't getting 1st line minutes and top PP time.
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PP points count just the same as ES or SH points. Who cares how they accrue points as long as they do it. I certainly wouldn't hold it against a player, that's for sure. Well, unless he's a defensive liability which I don't think Koivunen is.
 
It bothers me that the Pens not having Sullivan on the hot seat is because the fans might just be too dumb to make enough noise about it. Teams with more passionate fans, make it known.

Those fan bases don’t stand for this shit. Pens fans? f***ing crickets at the games. They booed Jarry because of the narrative by Yohe, they chanted to fire Hextall because of shit articles by Yohe and Rossi. But Sullivan? Like they’re legitimately too stupid to understand the problem and so they just sit there and resign to “let’s just enjoy Crosby..”

That’s an absolute shit mentality. Better fans don’t say that, they say “Crosby and Malkin deserve a change and it starts with a new coach. Because a coach that uses the same approach that keeps failing and the team thinks he’s gonna figure out is absolutely insane.
 
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Gurglesons said:
Which has always been my argument with the return we got for Guentzel.

We should've been targeting 1st round picks or can't miss prospects. Blake, Nadeau, Morrow, Nikishin all still remaining with the Canes is very frustrating. Especially when you see Horvat, Nelson, and other UFAs returning that type of value in the bookended deadlines around Jake.

People were propping up Ponomarev as a great piece in the trade. Look at him now. Koivunen looks good. I'm curious to see him after a full season if he isn't getting 1st line minutes and top PP time.
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Nelson was traded for a 2026 or 2027 first round pick and conditional third as well as kylington and Ritchie. They could end up not getting the kind of value the Pens got in Jake. Also Horvat immediately signed an extension. The issue with Jake was he didn’t want to negotiate in season. He f***ed the Pens twice. First by playing that bullshit angle and crying about it after when he was dealt and then not open to discussions with Carolina either. Carolina ended up dumping his ass to Tampa where he actually wanted to be, for a third.

I think Dubas did a good job with that. The issue I have is to make all of these changes and then keep a dipshit coach that doesn’t change is the most f***ing useless way to do anything positive.
 
Ryder71 said:
PP points count just the same as ES or SH points. Who cares how they accrue points as long as they do it. I certainly wouldn't hold it against a player, that's for sure. Well, unless he's a defensive liability which I don't think Koivunen is.
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Yeah, but the thing with PP points is, PP time is not in under a player's control. And I don't think Sullivan will let Koivunen on the PP as long as he's here. It's not Koivunen's fault, but again, if he's not getting that PP time, is he going to be making enough contributions elsewhere in the lineup? That's the debatable part.
 
Ugene Magic said:
It's more likely to sign Tavares over Marner.... Toronto is gonna have like 26.0 to fill their roster with Marner/Knies the priority which will eat most of that. I'm guessing 18.0, 12.0 for Marner and 6.0 for Knies.

The Pens could sign Tavares to a 8.5/9.0 x 4/5 term.

Rakell, Crosby, Rust
Koivunen, Tavares, Malkin
McGroarty, Novak, Heinen
Tomasino, Pono, Lizotte
Dewer/Puustinen

That's a roster that will get them into the playoff.
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The best players on this proposed roster are too old to get the team into the playoffs, unless one of the younger players breaks out and becomes the best player on the team.
Gurglesons said:
Who gives a shit about Koivunen if we are getting Lafreniere.

You guys are freaking crazy if you wouldn't move him in a deal to get a proven 50+ pt player like Laf.
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Koivunen 1-for-1? Sure.
Koivunen plus more than two 1sts of value? Hell no.
It's not a given that Koivunen won't himself become a proven 50+ point player.
Gurglesons said:
Which has always been my argument with the return we got for Guentzel.

We should've been targeting 1st round picks or can't miss prospects. Blake, Nadeau, Morrow, Nikishin all still remaining with the Canes is very frustrating. Especially when you see Horvat, Nelson, and other UFAs returning that type of value in the bookended deadlines around Jake.

People were propping up Ponomarev as a great piece in the trade. Look at him now. Koivunen looks good. I'm curious to see him after a full season if he isn't getting 1st line minutes and top PP time.
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Blake, Nadeau, and Morrow are all essentially equivalent prospects to Koivunen. Only Nikishin is a tier above.
 
Dubas addressed the RD in last years draft. Plus bringing in Timmons with a potential in St Ivany will allow the move of Karlsson. Dubas had no leverage in the Jake deal as he not doing a sign and trade just limited that. He got what he could for a rental. Look Koivunen, Brunicke, Ponomarev will be NHL players with them. Not bad here. Did I want Morrow yes, but still a good deal in any event. After this draft, Dubas will have most of the system in good shape assuming he has a center drafted.
 
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