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Empoleon8771 said:
I would be willing to bet a significant amount of money that Sullivan would glue Lafreniere to Crosby's wing and make Lafreniere-Crosby one of his new "duos" that he likes.
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Maybe. I still wouldn't pay the probable asking price to pry him from the Rangers. He's averaged like 40pts a season since arriving at the NHL level, and while the pedigree and frame are intriguing, there's a very real chance he's just kind of a nothing player and what we're seeing is what he's always gonna be.
 
Big Friggin Dummy said:
Maybe. I still wouldn't pay the probable asking price to pry him from the Rangers. He's averaged like 40pts a season since arriving at the NHL level, and while the pedigree and frame are intriguing, there's a very real chance he's just kind of a nothing player and what we're seeing is what he's always gonna be.
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He's 53rd in the league in 5v5 points over the last 3 seasons.

He doesn't really get power play time.

Gladly would add that player for the Rangers' 1st and a prospect like Koivunen plus a roster player like Rakell or Rust.
 
Big Friggin Dummy said:
Maybe. I still wouldn't pay the probable asking price to pry him from the Rangers. He's averaged like 40pts a season since arriving at the NHL level, and while the pedigree and frame are intriguing, there's a very real chance he's just kind of a nothing player and what we're seeing is what he's always gonna be.
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Yeah I agree I likely wouldn't want to pay the asking price the Rangers would want, especially to move him in the division. That said, I have no doubts he'd be stapled to Crosby and would likely be a 70-80 point guy on Crosby's wing.

Gurglesons said:
He's 53rd in the league in 5v5 points over the last 3 seasons.

He doesn't really get power play time.

Gladly would add that player for the Rangers' 1st and a prospect like Koivunen plus a roster player like Rakell or Rust.
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Would definitely not do Koivunen in that deal. Highest I'd go is giving the Rangers the picks back that the Penguins have from trading Pettersson and Smith. So their 2025/2026 1st plus their 2027 2nd for Lafreniere.
 
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I could see Laf having a Dylan Strome like career. He gets the right players, right situation, and takes off. I would jump all over that.
 
I think context matters for change-of-scenery and reclamation projects.

If Lafraniere was in Tampa or Dallas and struggling, I'd have more concerns. Those are proven organizations capable of developing talent.

The Rangers have been a dumpster fire, despite some regular season success. They had a wealth of draft picks from 2017-2020 and they've struggled to develop them.

Lias Andersson and Vitali Kravtsov were both busts and are back overseas. They've traded Filip Chytil and Kaapo Kakko, and K'Andre Miller. Alexis Lafraniere was a No. 1 overall pick and they're souring on him.

They could be down to just Will Cuylle and Braden Schneider as upper level contributors from that run of draft picks by the time the summer is over. Considering all of that, I think it's more likely that someone like Lafraniere finds his footing elsewhere than a player who is struggling in a better run organization.
 
Gurglesons said:
He's 53rd in the league in 5v5 points over the last 3 seasons.

He doesn't really get power play time.

Gladly would add that player for the Rangers' 1st and a prospect like Koivunen plus a roster player like Rakell or Rust.
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I wouldn't give up a young roster player for Lafraniere. I'd only give up older players and picks.
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
Yeah I agree I likely wouldn't want to pay the asking price the Rangers would want, especially to move him in the division. That said, I have no doubts he'd be stapled to Crosby and would likely be a 70-80 point guy on Crosby's wing.
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Maybe, but I really doubt that. He pretty regularly plays with Panarin over the past two seasons (78% of his shifts in 2023-24, and 58.7% in 2024-25). Why's Sid suddenly getting near double the production out of the guy? :laugh:
 
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Gurglesons said:
He's 53rd in the league in 5v5 points over the last 3 seasons.

He doesn't really get power play time.

Gladly would add that player for the Rangers' 1st and a prospect like Koivunen plus a roster player like Rakell or Rust.
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I would be intrigued just on last season's playoffs alone. 16gp- 8g- 6a- 14 pts. Only 3 PP pts. And a .71 ppg during the regular season too.
Though don't expect much as far as C. Only 259 faceoffs in 5 seasons.
Not that we'll be needing him for the playoffs. But to produce in a pressure situation like that shows me he has another gear. Maybe.
 
Gurglesons said:
Who gives a shit about Koivunen if we are getting Lafreniere.

You guys are freaking crazy if you wouldn't move him in a deal to get a proven 50+ pt player like Laf.
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I think Lafraniere is better than Koivunen, just to be clear.

However, the goal is to get younger and better. Strengthening the franchise's depth and lineup construction is how you do that.

If a trade with the Rangers centers around a first and Rakell for Lafraniere, fine. But when you start adding potential pieces like Koivunen or Broz or Brunicke or whoever, you're robbing Peter to pay Paul.

Maybe down the road you can look at trading younger players once you have a surplus, but not now.
 
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Woah, wait, a 1st + Rakell + Koivunen for Lafreniere? Where the hell is that psycho shit coming from? :laugh:

I'd much rather target a guy like Peterka if we're talking about throwing around big time assets to target younger guys for the extended future.
 
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DesertedPenguin said:
I think Lafraniere is better than Koivunen, just to be clear.

However, the goal is to get younger and better. Strengthening the franchise's depth and lineup construction is how you do that.

If a trade with the Rangers centers around a first and Rakell for Lafraniere, fine. But when you start adding potential pieces like Koivunen or Broz or Brunicke or whoever, you're robbing Peter to pay Paul.

Maybe down the road you can look at trading younger players once you have a surplus, but not now.
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I would trade literally any prospect in our pool for Lafreniere if all it costs is Rakell or Rust, and the Rangers first plus that prospect.

Acquiring a player like Lafreniere completely changes the trajectory of the rebuild.

I just posted the proposal on the trade forum. I'm about to get flamed by everyone but Penguins fans.
 
Gurglesons said:
Puustinen had 4 points in 7 games in the NHL. Would you not have traded him last year for a player of Lafreniere's caliber?
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Koivunen is 21. Puustinen was 24 last year. Koivunen has produced more at a younger age in the SHL and AHL than Puustinen did. Koivunen has also shown more versatility than Puustinen, who is basically a finesse perimeter player.

Not comparable.

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I would trade literally any prospect in our pool for Lafreniere if all it costs is Rakell or Rust, and the Rangers first plus that prospect.
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I think you're overestimating the cost for Lafraniere. His 7-year, $7.45 million cap hit contract kicks in on July 1. That makes him a greater risk as an acquisition.

If the cost for JT Miller is a good young roster player (Chytil), a prospect, and a first, why is Lafraniere bringing in a first, a 30-goal scorer (Rakell), and a young roster player? I think you only need two of the three for a deal.
 
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DesertedPenguin said:
Koivunen is 21. Puustinen was 24 last year. Koivunen has produced more at a younger age in the SHL and AHL than Puustinen did. Koivunen has also shown more versatility than Puustinen, who is basically a finesse perimeter player.

Not comparable.


I think you're overestimating the cost for Lafraniere. His 7-year, $7.45 million cap hit contract kicks in on July 1. That makes him a greater risk as an acquisition.

If the cost for JT Miller is a good young roster player (Chytil), a prospect, and a first, why is Lafraniere bringing in a first, a 30-goal scorer (Rakell), and a young roster player?
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That contract is appealing. He's going to be under market value.
 
DesertedPenguin said:
Koivunen is 21. Puustinen was 24 last year. Koivunen has produced more at a younger age in the SHL and AHL than Puustinen did. Koivunen has also shown more versatility than Puustinen, who is basically a finesse perimeter player.

Not comparable.


I think you're overestimating the cost for Lafraniere. His 7-year, $7.45 million cap hit contract kicks in on July 1. That makes him a greater risk as an acquisition.

If the cost for JT Miller is a good young roster player (Chytil), a prospect, and a first, why is Lafraniere bringing in a first, a 30-goal scorer (Rakell), and a young roster player?
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Yeah, Lafren averages 42 points a season, no way you do that. That's crazy
 
AuroraBorealis said:
42 points a year without PP1 and no top-six for a good chunk of his career. Important distinction.
Plus at the beginning he was playing 14 mins, not 17 like now.
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I understand that, but I'm not giving up THAT package for LAFREN, hell no.

Koivunen could could up a 50 point season in the next two years and for a fraction of the cap hit. PP points or not they all count.
 
AuroraBorealis said:
Yeah I don't think this is the time to go after promising roster players anyway. They're not ready.
Maybe if more bad contracts were out of the way, it'd make more sense.
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I don't think it's a good return on investment. I like lafren, but not for that amount of assets. Rakell and the RAGS 1st OR Koivunen, maybe, but not all three.
 
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