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The odds we get McKenna or Landon Dupont or Maddox Schultz etc. are very slim. Everyone knows that. No ones thinks anything is guaranteed. But we need to give ourselves a shot at them, and in the process of doing so we should end up with some really great talent even if we don't get the lottery luck.

If the Pens had been desperate for Lemieux to win a Cup in his final few years + get playoff ticket revenue and spent a bunch of money on free agents and finished 15/14th in 2003 and 2004 and we missed out on a chance at Fleury, Malkin, and Sid, how would the franchise have been looking.
It's slightly different because the Penguins flat out didn't have the money to go get a guy like Marner in 01 to 04. Once the revenue sharing took over, they splurged in FA with hilarious results but still.

It's a bad time for Marner to be available because there's a true prize next year. I am more in the boat of "suck now, rebuild" but there COULD be a half-measure if you are able to get a guy like Misa this year. You could easily go into next year with a strong top 6 of:

Raks-Sid-Rust
Misa-Malkin-Marner
McG-Novak-Koivunen

Then:

McG-Sid-Marner
Koivunen-Misa-Rakell

moving forward which, if Misa develops well, is about as good as we could hope for.

I'd say St Louis and Vegas fit into the anomaly category.
So 2 of...how many? Vegas also had Eichel who would have been a 1st OV in nearly every draft from 2017 to 2022. St Louis is the extreme exception but even they had Pietro who was a 4ov.
You’re way overthinking it

If he leaves Toronto he’s leaving the best C of any single team that could sign him and coming here because we gave him the best contract.

You simply BS him a little about being good a year from now. Ultimately we are not much different than anyone else who could afford him, besides the Leafs and the Canes but the Canes aren’t gonna give him a competitive contract structure IMO.
I think 4 nations showed us that Sid still has enough juice to be as good of a center as Mathews could be for him. I think that's one of the appeals of coming here. If he's coming here though, it's with the understanding that there will eventually be a rebuild but you might get 2-4 decent years with Sid on a team that is still looking for one last shot. Not like you're signing in Buffalo or Nashville where it looks destitute.
 
Yeah I looked at this once. Every single team to win a cup since the lockout, except one, had a top 5 in their top 5 scoring during the playoffs.

St. Louis was the exception and though Pietrangelo wasn’t top 5 in scoring he lead them in minutes for D.

Now some teams acquired those players through trade but those really were the exceptions. We’ll need those picks once we actually start the rebuild in 3-5 years.
 
St. Louis is the one I was referring to. I expect Eichel will make the HOF, and is a HOF level talent regardless

Gotcha.

I just don't think HOF is the right criteria for what you're trying to convey (even though I kind of agree with your message).
Eichel is a very good player. I wouldn't call him elite. Would you even put him in the top 10 centers in the league? Eh...it's a stretch.
 
Gotcha.

I just don't think HOF is the right criteria for what you're trying to convey (even though I kind of agree with your message).
Eichel is a very good player. I wouldn't call him elite. Would you even put him in the top 10 centers in the league? Eh...it's a stretch.

lol. go check out what eichel is doing this year.
 
Gotcha.

I just don't think HOF is the right criteria for what you're trying to convey (even though I kind of agree with your message).
Eichel is a very good player. I wouldn't call him elite. Would you even put him in the top 10 centers in the league? Eh...it's a stretch.
He’s 8th in league in points and the only centers who have more are Mack, Drai, and McDavid.
 
What I meant to say was "when they won the Cup"
He was working his way back from injury. I know he's killing it THIS year.
Nah bro. Led them in scoring despite playing less than 70 games and he should’ve won the Smythe that year

He’s a f***ing beast. Can score but is excellent defensively. Deserves to get talked about like he’s in an O6/Canadian market.
 
He's a top 10 center by PPG since entering the league. He's a top 10 center by PPG since joining Vegas.

Anyone that watches Eichel should know he's a top ten center.
Yeah he’s closer to top 5 (if not top 5) than he is top 10. Leads his team by nearly 30 points this year too.
 
He's a top 10 center by PPG since entering the league. He's a top 10 center by PPG since joining Vegas.

Anyone that watches Eichel should know he's a top ten center.

And I keep repeating myself: this is not an aggregate observation of Eichel I'm presenting.

I'm talking specifically about their Reg Season Cup year. His Reg Season PPG wouldn't crack the top 25 that season.

He had a tremendous playoffs...Conn Smythe worthy. He's also in the conversation as a top 10 center.
But you're conflating the 2.
 
I think there are better conversations to have and topics to discuss than whether or not Jack Eichel is a good 1C.

I would be thrilled if any player we draft in the next 10 years is as good as Eichel.
 
I guess an interesting side discussion to be had on the Marner discussion: if you win the draft lottery this year, which disqualifies you from winning the lottery next year for McKenna, does that change your opinion on going after or not going after Marner?
 
For some reason I thought it was once in a 5 year span, not twice in a 5 year span.

I always thought that "we can't win the lottery this year because they need to win the lottery next year" argument I've seen on here was based on that.
Someone correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is that a team can draft #1 indefinitely so long as they finish 32nd and the lotto winners are teams just moving up 10 spots to number #2 or further back. I.e.; #12 and #13 lotto teams win the lotto and move up to #2 and #3 in the draft. 32nd place team automatically drafts #1 and it doesn't count against the lotto "wins" allocated for twice in five years.
 
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Someone correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is that a team can draft #1 indefinitely so long as they finish 32nd and the lotto winners are teams just moving up 10 spots to number #2 or further back. I.e.; #12 and #13 lotto teams win the lotto and move up to #2 and #3 in the draft. 32nd place team automatically drafts #1.

Yeah the rule is that you can only move up 2 times due to winning the lottery in 5 years. If you're last in the league and either win the lottery or don't move down due to who wins the lottery, it doesn't count towards those 2 allowable lottery wins.
 
Someone correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is that a team can draft #1 indefinitely so long as they finish 32nd and the lotto winners are teams just moving up 10 spots to number #2 or further back. I.e.; #12 and #13 lotto teams win the lotto and move up to #2 and #3 in the draft. 32nd place team automatically drafts #1.
Yeah so this year if SJ gets the first overall pick it doesn’t count as a “win”

But if Vancouver moves from 15 to 5OA, that counts as a “win”
 
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For those who keep close track of the cap and assets, where are we sitting heading into the offseason money wise?

Is it realistic we can sign someone like Marner without moving EK specifically? And what are the odds Dubas actually wants to, or is able to move that kind of money considering EK isn't worth the contract at this stage of his career.

Depth at F is obviously a problem right now, though with some of the prospects we have waiting in the wings, should hopefully work itself out, but that isn't the biggest issue at all.

Just like the post 08-09 Cup run world of the Bylsma era, defense and goaltending is shit, and that might be a generous term. Fixing those 2 areas seems to be the biggest obstacle to the Pens legitimately competing for a deep playoff run.

Even if you can run a tighter defensive ship, I have zero confidence in any of the goaltenders currently on the roster being SC caliber. Maybe one of the young guns like Murashov are diamonds in the rough, but we won't find that out next year.
 
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