Salary Cap: 24-25 Salary Thread Crosbicles Volume MXVI: Sad Penguins, no Ploffs, got tariffed instead

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I don't think a team teetering on the edge of bottoming out for half a decade or more should entertain the idea of trading assets to rid themselves of nothing players like Heinen or Acciari tbh. Wouldn't even consider doing that for actual problematic contracts like Jarry or Graves.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Yeah, I mean mostly likely we are adding a McGroarty level piece this draft, which is fine. But looking forward in the post Sid era, we need that top level talent. Thornton and Eichel are good examples of 1Cs being moved but as you can see, it's extremely rare.

Yeah it definitely is rare, it's why if you see a bloke like Marner maybe looking at testing the market, that's a massive add for a younger player that can help carry the load with whatever time Geno and Sid have left. Marner is turning 28 in May, so he's not too young or too old.

Also I think with the massive success the Blues had with the offer-sheets to Brobeans and Holloway, there's going to be a lot of teams that are going to look at players in that similar boat and offer closer to what they did, even with the cap going up, that cap gets eaten up super fast with raises to RFA's and other players that are higher on the priority list.

LIke say Bourque that was mentioned here, if you can throw a Holloway type of offer-sheet at him and also have an incredible draft this summer, you're moving closer to getting those quality pieces to surround higher end talent. Although I am kind of maybe forgetting why with the same offers to both Holloway and Broberg did one of them only be a 3rd rounder as compensation while the other was a 2nd rounder? Apparently it boils down to higher level of investment in said players? Broberg being a 8th overall pick so the 2nd. So in Bourque's case, it'd be what, a 3rd? Since he would essentially equate to Holloway.

Of course, I need to always mention that it doesn't mean anything if Sullivan is still the coach. It just doesn't.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

I am not confusing anything. This team is not rebuilding. Back when JR took over there was two off seasons where they made drastic changes and added Hornqvist and then Kessel.

Retooling isn't for the fainthearted.

I think Dubas thinks they're retooling because Sullivan is a massive tool.

 

[DesertPenguin]

How exactly do you think PIT is getting out of Hayes, Acciari and Heinen this off season?

TBH someone might take Heinen or Acciari for future considerations. Desharnais was apparently moveable. Hayes has a high enough cap number we may be stuck, but tbh he's fine as a 4th line utility player.

 

[DesertPenguin]

I think you're confusing the term re tool with rebuild. If it's 26-27 before we might see the playoffs, (and I even doubt that). Geno is gone. Letang is a bit piece and who knows if any of EK, Rust or Rakell are here then. Looks like a rebuild around Sid. It's semantics I suppose but that's not a retool. Although Dubas said very recently in an interview with Shannon he call it a'' retool or a rebuild'', he sees it as just words.

I think we're going to sneak into the playoffs next season and go for it the year after.

 

[Ryder71]

I think we're going to sneak into the playoffs next season and go for it the year after.

Considering our trajectory over the last few seasons. And the fact that OTT is back in the playoffs after an absence. As well as teams like MON and CLB on the upswing, possibly even DET being better and younger I don't think so.

 

[Gurglesons]

They're all going to be on their final years of their contracts. Acciari will have value to a playoff team. We're not fans, but players and coaches love guys like him and his contract is much more palatable for one year.

Similarly, a contender might value Hayes for some bottom six offense and overall reliable play, especially a team that plays at a slower pace.

Heinen is the one that could be a challenge, but with the rising cap, he could be a fill-in third liner on a non-playoff team if that team thinks it's going to struggle to work a deal in free agency for a similar player.

EDIT: Heinen could be in one of those draft day trades where some team calls the Pens and wants to move up five spots in the fifth round because some scout has a hard-on for a specific guy. So the Pens say, OK, let's swap picks, you take Heinen, and we'll take some 25 year old fringe ECHL/AHL guy just to balance out contracts.

Dubas has made like 4 and 2 off season trades the last two years.

You're absolutely drunk if you think he's making multiple trades to clean out the bottom six.

 

[cygnus47]

I think we're going to sneak into the playoffs next season and go for it the year after.

With what team? And which coach?

 

[Ryder71]

Send the kids down please! Deflate this wretched pathetic team. Show them you don't believe in them Kyle. Do your f***in job and make sure they can't ice a competitive team!

 

[tnnr]

Who do we like out of these coaching candidates should the Pens somehow move on from Sully.

Jay Leach

Marc Savard

Marco Sturm

 

[Ryder71]

Give them as a pre game meal Gas Station SUSHI! Room temperature, that was sitting out all night! Please!


DO IT!

 

[DesertedPenguin]

Who do we like out of these coaching candidates should the Pens somehow move on from Sully.

Jay Leach

Marc Savard

Marco Sturm

Jeff Halpern.

Then Leach. Then Sturm.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

Dubas has made like 4 and 2 off season trades the last two years.

You're absolutely drunk if you think he's making multiple trades to clean out the bottom six.

He made six off-season trades in 2019.

There were a couple fringe deals in there, but that was the year he dumped Marleau, traded Zaitsev and Brown for Ceci, and traded Kadri for Barrie and Kerfoot.

Generally speaking, Dubas is an active GM. I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility for him to make 4-5 trades around the draft and free agency - A Rakell or Karlsson deal, a modest trade for a young player blocked or out of favor somewhere, maybe a cap dump, and then a few trades at the bottom of the lineup. Then add in a possible offer sheet and activity in free agency.

 

[DRAGO 18]

There were rumors at the deadline teams were calling the Pens on Acciari. I think he's the easiest of the 3 that are movable.

The other 2 are tougher. Heinen is as vanilla as you can get and Hayes makes too much and skates like a glacier.Obviously, the benefit of moving them is opening up spots for WBS guys next year

 

[Tasty Biscuits]

Something tells me they really like Hayes as a locker room guy. Not that they don't already have enough of those already.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I think Hayes gets moved this off-season because he's still a productive player and I think a team will see value in him as a bottom-6 producer despite his skating. Probably not for more than like a 4th or so, but I think he gets moved in the off-season.

I want this team to add on defense, but I would prefer them to go youth in the forward group and only add a difference maker if they're adding anyone. If you can sign Marner or pull off a 2C to push Malkin to the wing, sure go for it. But if they can't do that, I'd much rather go into next year with Koivunen and McGroarty in top-6 roles and Hallander, Ponomarev and such all getting chances in the bottom-6.

I've posted this lineup a bunch but this forward group:

McGroarty-Crosby-Rust
Koivunen-Malkin-Rakell
Iafalo-Novak-Tomasino
Hallander-Lizotte-Dewar
Ponomarev-Heinen

Is the kind of forward lineup they should be targeting. Add a bottom-6 winger like Iafalo just as insurance in case Koivunen or McGroarty struggle, but fill out the rest with younger guys already in the system. If you can somehow pull off Marner or a 2C, trade Rakell for futures and keep the rest the same.

 

[Andy99]

lol…probably Geno’s out again after taking that nasty fall…all the better to help the tank…

 

[ibleedkings]

McGroaty-Sid-Marner
Knies-Malkin-Rust
Koivunen-Novak-Greentree
Hallander-Lizotte-Acciari

would be pretty sick.

If there is one team to expect the unexpected of, it's LA this off-season if they have a first round exit against the Oilers again. Ideally (for the fans), they fire Rob Blake but ideally for US, they keep him and he makes such a deal. Honestly, if we are getting Greentree in the deal, I wouldn't have issue sending them someone like Pono to help ease the loss. Raks+Pono/Poulin for Greentree+1st is something I'd be fine doing.

No chance LA moves Greentree.

 

[eXile3]

lol…probably Geno’s out again after taking that nasty fall…all the better to help the tank…

Dude just can’t stay healthy. It’s not like he doesn’t take care of himself, just bad luck and age.

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

There goes McGroarty and Koivunen's ice time!!

 

[Gurglesons]

He made six off-season trades in 2019.

There were a couple fringe deals in there, but that was the year he dumped Marleau, traded Zaitsev and Brown for Ceci, and traded Kadri for Barrie and Kerfoot.

Generally speaking, Dubas is an active GM. I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility for him to make 4-5 trades around the draft and free agency - A Rakell or Karlsson deal, a modest trade for a young player blocked or out of favor somewhere, maybe a cap dump, and then a few trades at the bottom of the lineup. Then add in a possible offer sheet and activity in free agency.

That was due to him being f***ed cap wise.

A lot of people thought we’d move Eller +, last off season and we didn’t move anybody out but Smith.

 

[Gurglesons]

I think Hayes gets moved this off-season because he's still a productive player and I think a team will see value in him as a bottom-6 producer despite his skating. Probably not for more than like a 4th or so, but I think he gets moved in the off-season.

I want this team to add on defense, but I would prefer them to go youth in the forward group and only add a difference maker if they're adding anyone. If you can sign Marner or pull off a 2C to push Malkin to the wing, sure go for it. But if they can't do that, I'd much rather go into next year with Koivunen and McGroarty in top-6 roles and Hallander, Ponomarev and such all getting chances in the bottom-6.

I've posted this lineup a bunch but this forward group:

McGroarty-Crosby-Rust
Koivunen-Malkin-Rakell
Iafalo-Novak-Tomasino
Hallander-Lizotte-Dewar
Ponomarev-Heinen

Is the kind of forward lineup they should be targeting. Add a bottom-6 winger like Iafalo just as insurance in case Koivunen or McGroarty struggle, but fill out the rest with younger guys already in the system. If you can somehow pull off Marner or a 2C, trade Rakell for futures and keep the rest the same.

Kevin Hayes is like 326th in 5v5 production for players that have played 500+ 5v5 minutes.

Not sure how that’s productive lol.

 

[Andy99]

Dude just can’t stay healthy. It’s not like he doesn’t take care of himself, just bad luck and age.

Well, he’s at the morning skate…must be for Tomasino who’s still out but why the emergency on Nieto when we have 12 forwards already?

 

[PensFutures]

Looks like its Lizotte out? According to Getzoff they are running:
2-87-17
67-71-41
19-13-43
83-15-55

24-58
20-65
23-27

 

[Killakirillthethrill]