Salary Cap: 24-25 Salary Thread Crosbicles Volume MXVI: Sad Penguins, no Ploffs, got tariffed instead

[Gurglesons]

Why trade Rust exactly?

He has no trade protection.

He’s old.

He can probably bring back value from a young team like Buffalo or Anaheim.

 

[Ragamuffin Gunner]

Rust should 100% be dealt this summer. He's having a great season and loses all his protection. I doubt he has another year like this one.

 

[Empoleon8771]

McGroarty-Crosby-Rust
Rakell-Malkin-Koivunen
Iafallo-Novak-Tomasino
Hallander-Lizotte-Dewar
Heinen-Ponomarev

Hague-Karlsson
Dumoulin-Timmins
Pickering-Letang
Shea

Jarry-Blomqvist

Unless you can make a good deal with trading Rakell and bringing in a younger player, this is generally what I'd be targeting. Ship out Graves, Acciari, Hayes and Nedjelkovic in the off-season and plan on selling guys like Rakell, Karlsson, Iaffalo and Timmins in the season.

Rust should 100% be dealt this summer. He's having a great season and loses all his protection. I doubt he has another year like this one.

He has had this exact kind of year in 3 of the last 4 seasons.

He has no trade protection.

He’s old.

He can probably bring back value from a young team like Buffalo or Anaheim.

The 2nd rounder you'd bring back for him isn't worth trading him at all.

Want to sell someone? Sell Rakell, because he'll actually have 1st+ value.

 

[SEALBound]

He has no trade protection.

He’s old.

He can probably bring back value from a young team like Buffalo or Anaheim.

Detroit would be the logical location but the entire organization loves the guy. Right or wrong, he's gonna be here until he retires.

 

[Darren McCord]

I like Marner and Ehlers, but why are we trading Rak and hoping Ehlers gells with Sid like we know Rak does? Marner is the current Hossa, going after him is a no brainer. I like Ehlers too. Sign both and then trade our forward excess for some defense I guess.

Ehlers has 63pts in 68 games. Even if he didnt mesh perfect with Sid you put him with Geno. But like I don't think you worry that much. You trade Rak for a haul and sign Ehlers for free. Thats why. In this scenario you get a free 1rst and young prospect.

I wouldn't trade Raks for trash though.

 

[eXile3]

Rust and Rakell aren’t getting traded in the offseason. They’re part of the retool. Dubas has pretty much said as much.

 

[Gurglesons]

Detroit would be the logical location but the entire organization loves the guy. Right or wrong, he's gonna be here until he retires.

We will see.

The entire organization loved Jake and MP28.

 

[SEALBound]

Honestly, the far better route with Rakell (in the spirit of trade discussion) would be to send him out with a bunch of picks to get a center back and you shift Malkin to wing.

McG-Sid-Rust
Koivy-Rossi-Malkin

That top six likely fairs better than:

McG-Sid-Rust
Koivy-Malkin-Peterka

for example. This is in the same breath/idea/notion that a better defensive lineup has Letang in a 2B role such as:

Hague-Karlsson
Gryz-Letang
Pickering-Timmins

Where he's only getting 15min per night.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

The 2nd rounder you'd bring back for him isn't worth trading him at all.

Want to sell someone? Sell Rakell, because he'll actually have 1st+ value.

You're saying Rakell has more value than Rust?
I think the opposite- Cups plus experience goes very far in this league.

Regardless as someone just said, neither are going anywhere which is silly.

 

[SEALBound]

We will see.

The entire organization loved Jake and MP28.

They were both UFAs and due big, long term deals. Rust is signed another three years at a very tolerable hit for what he brings. Not the same.

 

[Empoleon8771]

You're saying Rakell has more value than Rust?
I think the opposite- Cups plus experience goes very far in this league.

Regardless as someone just said, neither are going anywhere which is silly.

IMO Rust has way more of the "product of Crosby" vibe on him than Rakell does. Rakell has had seasons like this one while not with Crosby, Rust hasn't.

 

[Gurglesons]

They were both UFAs and due big, long term deals. Rust is signed another three years at a very tolerable hit for what he brings. Not the same.

We will see how committed Dubas is to the “retool”. Keeping a 33 year old Rust when you can potentially get value for him this offseason with his ability to block a trade being non-existent would be insane.

 

[Jared Grayden]

We will see how committed Dubas is to the “retool”. Keeping a 33 year old Rust when you can potentially get value for him this offseason with his ability to block a trade being non-existent would be insane.

His asking price for Rakell was insane. Perhaps his strategy is to go into the season with both of them and see how the team does and then assess from there. I think it's risky though because at their ages and especially with Rust's injury history, neither might not get close to the peak value he could have gotten.

 

[Empoleon8771]

"Getting value" for Rust is getting a 1st back for him, not a cap dump and a 2nd rounder.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

IMO Rust has way more of the "product of Crosby" vibe on him than Rakell does. Rakell has had seasons like this one while not with Crosby, Rust hasn't.

I think there are some GM's who would agree with your take. But I feel like more GM's would agree with my stance.

Yours is based on logic. Mine more on "emotion" and the GM's in this league have shown to be very dinosaur-like.

 

[Gurglesons]

"Getting value" for Rust is getting a 1st back for him, not a cap dump and a 2nd rounder.

Getting value for Rust is getting anything for a 33 year old that you can then replace with a younger player or Rakell on Sid’s line and pump and dump.

 

[Darren McCord]

We will see how committed Dubas is to the “retool”. Keeping a 33 year old Rust when you can potentially get value for him this offseason with his ability to block a trade being non-existent would be insane.

I think Dubas has 2 paths depending on the market. They have 24 million in cap right now.
If you can overpay and land Ehlers or Marner and use a first + to get a young top 4 defenseman. You could in theory make a team that's capable of giving geno and sid one more playoffs.

McG - Sid - Marner
Rakell - Geno - Rust
Koivunen - Novak - Thomasino
Dewar - Accari - Lizotte
Heinen/Hayes/Pono

or

McG - Sid - Rust
Ehlers - Geno - Rak
Koivunen- Novak - Thomasino
Dewar - Accari - Lizotte
Heinen/Hayes/Pono

The other path is to trade Rust/Rakell be bad this year, draft well and try to do a retool next offseason. I think the UFA market will sway things.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Getting value for Rust is getting anything for a 33 year old that you can then replace with a younger player or Rakell on Sid’s line and pump and dump.

That's not getting value for Rust.

I swear, there's a huge part of Penguins fans on here that hate Rust because the team overrates the shit out of him, so they'll bend over backwards to shit on him in any way they can.

They can literally use that "pump and dump" strategy with Rakell right now and run with McGroarty-Crosby-Rust.

 

[Gurglesons]

That's not getting value for Rust.

I swear, there's a huge part of Penguins fans on here that hate Rust because the team overrates the shit out of him, so they'll bend over backwards to shit on him in any way they can.

They can literally use that "pump and dump" strategy with Rakell right now and run with McGroarty-Crosby-Rust.

Rakell is younger and can structure his NTC to block a lot of trades if he wishes to stay in PIT.

Rust is older and doesn’t have that option.

I don’t hate Rust. But, he’s a player you move now if you’re serious about a retool. Specifically if we are trying to be a competitive team. Sooner versus later.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Rakell is younger and can structure his NTC to block a lot of trades if he wishes to stay in PIT.

Rust is older and doesn’t have that option.

I don’t hate Rust. But, he’s a player you move now if you’re serious about a retool. Specifically if we are trying to be a competitive team. Sooner versus later.

Yup they SHOULD be trading Rust/Rakell
WILL they? Hahaha I don't think so.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Rakell is younger and can structure his NTC to block a lot of trades if he wishes to stay in PIT.

Rust is older and doesn’t have that option.

I don’t hate Rust. But, he’s a player you move now if you’re serious about a retool. Specifically if we are trying to be a competitive team. Sooner versus later.

Rakell is a year younger than Rust and has an 8 team no trade list. Come on, mentioning those as points is ridiculous.

If you want to use the logic of "pump and dump", you trade Rakell because he's having a 35 goal, 70 point season this year and teams will likely be willing to pay a 1st+ for that. Trading Rust for a bad return just because "moving him for anything is a positive" makes zero sense.

 

[Gurglesons]

Rakell is a year younger than Rust and has an 8 team no trade list. Come on, mentioning those as points is ridiculous.

If you want to use the logic of "pump and dump", you trade Rakell because he's having a 35 goal, 70 point season this year and teams will likely be willing to pay a 1st+ for that. Trading Rust for a bad return just because "moving him for anything is a positive" makes zero sense.

People said the same thing about Jake. We then put Rakell in Jake’s minutes and the change was not that significant.

The idea is to gain cap space, assets and get younger. Getting a 1st or a 2nd and mid prospect for Rust is a huge win.

 

[Empoleon8771]

People said the same thing about Jake. We then put Rakell in Jake’s minutes and the change was not that significant.

The idea is to gain cap space, assets and get younger. Getting a 1st or a 2nd and mid prospect for Rust is a huge win.

Then why aren't you trading Rakell instead of Rust?

That's the question you're not answering. If you want to do a pump and dump and sell guys for high value, why are you not trading Rakell over Rust?

 

[Gurglesons]

Then why aren't you trading Rakell instead of Rust?

That's the question you're not answering. If you want to do a pump and dump and sell guys for high value, why are you not trading Rakell over Rust?

Because, Rakell is younger and has trade protection. I already did answer that lol.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Because, Rakell is younger and has trade protection. I already did answer that lol.

But those aren't legitimate answers. Rakell is barely a year younger (both May birthdays, one in 1992 and one in 1993) and has minimal trade protections. That's not a reason to trade Rust over Rakell.

Trading Rust for a 2nd and a mid prospect sucks because you can keep Rust and trade Rakell for more than that. Trading Rust for that while keeping Rakell makes no sense at all.