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DesertedPenguin said:
In @Gurglesons' view, anything that Dubas is involved in that failed is his fault, no matter his role.
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No, my point is it's hilarious how the guy couldn't even win a soft ball tournament like the IIHF.

It's also especially hilarious how they didn't even bring their stuff to Denmark because they were so convicned they'd win.

It's cool, you've moved your Sullivan can do nothing wrong narrative to Dubas.

In two or three years you'll realize that Dubas is just another Sullivan and we can talk truthly about his failures.
 
Gurglesons said:
No, my point is it's hilarious how the guy couldn't even win a soft ball tournament like the IIHF.

It's also especially hilarious how they didn't even bring their stuff to Denmark because they were so convicned they'd win.

It's cool, you've moved your Sullivan can do nothing wrong narrative to Dubas.

In two or three years you'll realize that Dubas is just another Sullivan and we can talk truthly about his failures.
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You refuse to answer what Dubas could have done differently with this Team Canada. What available players did he fail to include on the team? What was wrong with a coaching staff that included Evason, Hruska, and Burnette?

Dubas deserves fair criticism for moves with the Penguins, including Graves and Jarry. Those were mistakes.

But no GM deserves criticism for players just fumbling the bag in a tournament. He put the best combination of players together. They didn't come through.
 
Gurglesons said:
No, my point is it's hilarious how the guy couldn't even win a soft ball tournament like the IIHF.

It's also especially hilarious how they didn't even bring their stuff to Denmark because they were so convicned they'd win.

It's cool, you've moved your Sullivan can do nothing wrong narrative to Dubas.

In two or three years you'll realize that Dubas is just another Sullivan and we can talk truthly about his failures.
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He's not the one on the ice. Who should he have added or what should he have done different?

You think Jon Cooper "won" the 4 Nations tournament? Lol.
 
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DesertedPenguin said:
You refuse to answer what Dubas could have done differently with this Team Canada. What available players did he fail to include on the team? What was wrong with a coaching staff that included Evason, Hruska, and Burnette?

Dubas deserves fair criticism for moves with the Penguins, including Graves and Jarry. Those were mistakes.

But no GM deserves criticism for players just fumbling the bag in a tournament. He put the best combination of players together. They didn't come through.
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What could he have done differently? Not taken the job. Most Canadian fans who knew his resumé did not want him in that position. Very few will want him until he shows some success while at Pittsburgh, regardless of whether it's warranted. Many people (including myself) believe that Dubas was completely propped up by the media in Toronto, and that most of those accolades/exposure that he received were manufactured by operating in a big market.

No one is claiming he's the sole reason why Canada lost in the fashion that they did. The way in which he described how he constructed his roster was predicated on bringing a lot of talent from the 4 nations to this specific tournament (a somewhat flawed observation since it was an international tournament on big ice/different officiating, but I digress). We're obviously not privy to all the players who are either invited or not, since it is usually determined by past invitations that are continuously accepted or the contrary (e.g. Nick Suzuki, for instance, has never accepted). There are players who are asked at the end of the season media interviews whether they would accept an invitation to the world championship. Everything else is just speculation.

Is it a little unfair to throw shade at Dubas because of what happened at the WC? Sure. I, along with others, need to vent after a complete disaster of a game. I have never been a Dubas advocate and this was just more accelerant to add to the fire.
 
Canada would probably beat Denmark 99/100 times. We just happened to see the 1.

I think people underestimate how good some of these minor pro teams are though. I bet even Florida would lose some games to the top AHL teams if they played enough times. Pro hockey players are really good. Even the ones who aren't in the NHL.
 
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I like to complain about stuff but even I'm not going to lay some short tournament at Dubas' feet.

But I also do not begrudge people for not caring for him. His tenure in Toronto was mediocre at best, his start here was downright awful and the only positive marks I can give the guy on his job performance here thus far are kinda gimmies. Like... I appreciate that he has recognized that a team in this position trades players like Marcus Pettersson but that's not exactly some 4D chess move.

His stock rose considerably in my estimation for firing Mike Sullivan. But again... things that are glaringly obvious and probably should have been done Day 1 on the job for 1000, Alex.
 
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DesertedPenguin said:
You refuse to answer what Dubas could have done differently with this Team Canada. What available players did he fail to include on the team? What was wrong with a coaching staff that included Evason, Hruska, and Burnette?

Dubas deserves fair criticism for moves with the Penguins, including Graves and Jarry. Those were mistakes.

But no GM deserves criticism for players just fumbling the bag in a tournament. He put the best combination of players together. They didn't come through.
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I've already said I just think it's hilarious that he GMs the Canada team and suddenly they lose in an incredibly embarassing way to a terrible Denmark team.

It's a stupid tournament nobody cares about, but like.. should have been a lay-up with the roster Canada brought. Yet somehow Dubas and company find a way.
 
Idk I think it's pretty obvious that the only people shitting on Dubas for the WC loss are people who take literally any chance they can to shit on Dubas.

Gurgs still insists that Koivunen sucks just because he was acquired by Dubas.
 
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Gurglesons said:
I've already said I just think it's hilarious that he GMs the Canada team and suddenly they lose in an incredibly embarassing way to a terrible Denmark team.

It's a stupid tournament nobody cares about, but like.. should have been a lay-up with the roster Canada brought. Yet somehow Dubas and company find a way.
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If they brought a good roster, how is it Dubas' fault? Dubas is the one that makes the roster, then the players go play.
 
Empoleon8771 said:
Idk I think it's pretty obvious that the only people shitting on Dubas for the WC loss are people who take literally any chance they can to shit on Dubas.

Gurgs still insists that Koivunen sucks just because he was acquired by Dubas.
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Gurg's personal crusade aside, it is really funny watching Leafs fans continue to take pot shots at Dubas after their loser team continues to suck without him there. :laugh:
 
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Gurglesons said:
You guys are soooo serious.

It's funny. Dubas sucks. He lost with a stacked Canada team because he sucks and he's a loser.
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How was I being serious? I was just asking a question.

If you're saying that the roster Canada brought was amazing and should have easily won, how is it Dubas' fault that the roster underperformed? Dubas is the one that built the roster.
 
Pancakes said:
Gurg's personal crusade aside, it is really funny watching Leafs fans continue to take pot shots at Dubas after their loser team continues to suck without him there. :laugh:
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Much like Jim Rutherford and Ron Hextall had a huge impact on the current Penguins issues, Kyle Dubas had a huge impact on why the Leafs suck.

Also, Tree got the Leafs into a G7 against the best team in the league.
 
Empoleon8771 said:
How was I being serious? I was just asking a question.

If you're saying that the roster Canada brought was amazing and should have easily won, how is it Dubas' fault that the roster underperformed? Dubas is the one that built the roster.
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Dubas is the GM. The GM is responsible for the team.

I'm not sure why this concept is so complicated.

That's how it works.
 
Gurglesons said:
Much like Jim Rutherford and Ron Hextall had a huge impact on the current Penguins issues, Kyle Dubas had a huge impact on why the Leafs suck.

Also, Tree got the Leafs into a G7 against the best team in the league.
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The difference is most Pens fans don't go out of their way to waste time and energy dumping on former GMs. Dubas could sign some minor AHL player for WBS and if you go into the thread on it there will be some Leafs fan calling him the devil. That fanbase is just inundated with pathetic energy.

Like nobody around here gives a shit about Hextall or JR any more. There aren't many Pens fans wandering into every JR thread or mention saying "see I told you so" whenever he does something dumb.
 
Pancakes said:
The difference is most Pens fans don't go out of their way to waste time and energy dumping on former GMs. Dubas could sign some minor AHL player for WBS and if you go into the thread on it there will be some Leafs fan calling him the devil. That fanbase is just inundated with pathetic energy.

Like nobody around here gives a shit about Hextall or JR any more. There aren't many Pens fans wandering into every JR thread or mention saying "see I told you so" whenever he does something dumb.
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I think you live in an alternate world.
 
Now the Mike Sullivan stalker hate we're going to see with Pens fans/Rangers fans is gonna be something else though. At least on hf :laugh:

This board despises the man and it's going to be very evident whenever the Rangers do anything bad this year
 
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