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I picture this place full of Steve Dangles constipated on too much cheese.....
Um.... um... the Penguins missed out on the Rakell, Karlsson and Rust 'trade train.....!
Maybe you are more like Leaf fans than you know.
Um.... um... the Penguins missed out on the Rakell, Karlsson and Rust 'trade train.....!
Maybe you are more like Leaf fans than you know.
Coastal Kev
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Dubas really should have traded Rakell at peak value
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They'll have the space to extend him to about 10 mill if they sign those guys. Depends on if he wants to stay.
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The team won cups immediately after acquiring Kessel so lets gut the system to get.....Kapanen, Zucker, Brassard. Its not like the big dogs werent coming on the market either. Stone went for a pretty marginal price. If JR wasnt dead set on blowing his wad every deadline, the team could actually have some assets to get good players. The complete 180 from JR since 2017 still hurts to think about
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Tbf, most people thought Brassard was a big dog, and Stone ending up in Vegas on that price was widely reported as being due to that being the only place he was willing to to sign a new contract sight unseen because of his ties with McCrimmon. Also a lot of people thought Brannstrom was a big dog in the making.
But yes. Lots of Rutherford mistakes there.
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Spot on. Who needs 1sts anyway? Not like we need a new core or anything.I picture this place full of Steve Dangles constipated on too much cheese.....
Um.... um... the Penguins missed out on the Rakell, Karlsson and Rust 'trade train.....!
Maybe you are more like Leaf fans than you know.
Sid will play until he's 60 at an elite level. We'll use bionic Letang and Malkin too.
Like I get that you don't give a flying f*** about Cups anymore, but not everyone feels like you do, k?
And it's not even on Dubas. This is his mandate from FSG. He's not even allowed to go scorched earth.
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We can make a solid deal on both.
Tbh, now that Malkinstheman has put it into my mind...
... what moves after 2017 did Rutherford make that were good?
edit: I think it might literally be one single move if we're talking a move that the Penguins eventually profited on rather than getting a good player but not really getting their money's worth because they had to move off of them cheap for cap/impatience reasons.
... what moves after 2017 did Rutherford make that were good?
edit: I think it might literally be one single move if we're talking a move that the Penguins eventually profited on rather than getting a good player but not really getting their money's worth because they had to move off of them cheap for cap/impatience reasons.
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I think JR continued to be pretty decent on "hockey trades". Kahun for Erod/sheary, acquiring McCann/Bjugstad were good trades and of course getting Marino/Pettersson. Free agent signings or anything that involved a Penguins 1st round pick were god awful
I think he made multiple good moves but none were really good in a vacuum when you consider the context except getting Marino. But getting McCann, Rodrigues, Marino, Matheson for what he gave up was good. Getting Oleksiak was good too. We just never got to reap the benefits of getting those players except Marino I guess.
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JR made decent moves from 2017 onward but I think we all recognize that towards the end, it got super sketch. So for me, working backwards from 2022, it was really the 1st for Kapanen at the 2020 draft where I wish we could have gone a different direction. Up to then, I understood the moves even if they didn't all work out as we'd hoped.
The Brassard trade was a great trade on paper. For days after, we were the envy of the league and we were all the three-peat train. But he faulterd. I fault Brassard, not JR for that. I feel the same about several others and I think there's an aspect of the "sullivan effect" where maybe some didn't work as good as they could of because of him.
I didn't love the Hagelin - Pearson - Gudbranson set of moves either. They are were all equally terrible that year for us.
Sorry CLC is that's too long of a post for you.
The Brassard trade was a great trade on paper. For days after, we were the envy of the league and we were all the three-peat train. But he faulterd. I fault Brassard, not JR for that. I feel the same about several others and I think there's an aspect of the "sullivan effect" where maybe some didn't work as good as they could of because of him.
I didn't love the Hagelin - Pearson - Gudbranson set of moves either. They are were all equally terrible that year for us.
Sorry CLC is that's too long of a post for you.
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Just when I start to like Dubas...It would be such a dumb own-goal to not move those two.
I’d move both at some point during the next 30 monthsBut Sidney Cwosby needs someone to play with. And they're super important for the next chapter, mentors etc.
It really is a no-brainer to move those two. Just staring this team right in the face, it just makes sense. Which is precisely why I'm concerned it won't happen--especially with their weird Rust fetish.
I’m just saying I don’t think it’s out of the question neither gets traded. Which I don’t agree with. But that would track with what he said about those dudes in Toronto.
KrisLetAngry
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Am I really seeing people Blaming Dubas for Canadas downfall.
Realistically I don't think there was a better line up he could have brought over.
It was an embarassing upset and this is going to haunt a lot of the roster.
Dubas has a strong following of haters I suppose.
Realistically I don't think there was a better line up he could have brought over.
It was an embarassing upset and this is going to haunt a lot of the roster.
Dubas has a strong following of haters I suppose.
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JR's biggest mistake (besides JMFJ) was constantly overhauling the roster because it obviously wasn't the coach's fault.
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I remember reading about the JMFJ acquisition on a plane when I turned my phone back on after landing, and thinking this was the death of the Penguins cup window. I hate that I was right. One more year of buyout cap hit, and then we can make another run!
In retrospect it made sense. Brassards points started to decline after that 60 point season at 27. We acquired him at 30 and took his #1 PP minutes away.
It was worth the risk at the time but there were definitely signs no one paid attention to because it made so much sense on paper.
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He bitched about the Penguins later. Something like "they are expecting me to be a 60pt center with third line minutes and third line wingers". Which was fair.
You look at the 2018 playoff lines and the 18-19 regular season lines and it was hard to hate them honestly. It just didn't pan out.
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I think it's more about losing chasing him versus anything he realistically did.
KrisLetAngry
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Any credit for Canada winning the 4 Nations?
Because I didn't give Dubas credit for winning that and I don't give him credit for losing this week either.
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