Salary Cap: 24-25 Salary Thread Crosbicles Volume MXVI: End of season wrap up

[HandshakeLine]

Rust is turning into this era's Dupuis.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

My understanding is he'll be done after the playoffs.

Like done, done.

They say that. He looks incredibly healthy right now though. Who knows if the league looks into or not.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Rust is turning into this era's Dupuis.

I think he's way, way past that. At least Dupuis had a personality.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

I think he's way, way past that. At least Dupuis had a personality.

I dunno. At least Rust IS a top six player.

Trading for Jerome f***ing Iginla only to see Pascal the Rascal lined up on Sid's RW the next game nearly made me chuck my TV out the window.

 

[bambamcam4ever]

I think it's a fair point that you can set your clock on high skill wings with blemishes coming available in some form or another.

What is significantly rarer is the high skill wing with blemishes that you can actually get your hands on. Whether it's can't meet the trade price, can't persuade them to sign there, temporarily out of cap space, just got outbidded... plenty of ways.

As such, I'm down with checking in with Marner. I can see lots of reasons to be wary of the dude, but if he's actually interested, that part is sufficiently rare that I'd be interested back.

But like, it doesn't matter. Yes he's a good player, but if you sign him I don't see a realistic path to the Penguins competing again while Marner is still elite.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Eh Rust is way better than Dupuis ever was. I don't think that's fair to him.

He's a solid top-6 winger who's treated like a legitimate core piece by the front office.

 

[DesertPenguin]

I doubt they are ever trading Rust. That guy must have helped them all hide a really important body or something I dunno.

As far as Raks goes... fair enough that maybe the work there isn't done yet. But like I said I feel like there is a pretty good chance that we will be looking back to last year very soon with some regret as the best time to have traded him.

Dubas did say in a recent presser that he values having someone in the room as a veteran beyond Sid. Sid can be a little intimidating to interact with. Rusty is there to help connect with the newcomers. I can see it, I guess.

If thats the case, move EK and Raks for assets, use those assets + to get Byram and Howard. Draft a C prospect or two. End of the offseason.

McGroarty Crosby Rust
Howard Malkin Koivunen
Hallander Novak Tomasino
Hayes Lizotte Dewar
Heinen Ponomarev

Byram Timmins
Pickering Letang
Graves Brunicke
Shea

Jarry
Blom

 

[SEALBound]

My issue with Dupuis was that, next to prime Sid he was a 40pt player (roughly) who couldn't finish an acceptable number of elite set ups by Sid. He was also dog shit in the playoffs. It was the fact that he took up a roster spot that made me hate him the most. No shocker that once he retired, young kids came him and had a higher level of impact.

Rust is nearly a PPG player with Sid so...hard to complain.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I think Rust would be firmly in the middle 6 of any legit contending team, but because Sid enjoys playing with him, he's been given more opportunity and a bigger role here. Which, to his credit, he fills adequately. But like Emp said; it's this organizations reverence for the guy and the way they make him out to be something bigger than he is--very grating.

 

[HandshakeLine]

He’s the side character that inexplicably gets their own short lived spin off show.

 

[Peat]

I guess it just depends on what you want to see the team do.

I'm mostly checked out and don't care. But the "REBUILD NOW" crowd that was trying to sell me on trash like taking on Kevin Hayes for picks as smart and where we are now SHOULD be quite irritated if Raks finds himself on the opening-day roster.

I am in the reload now crowd and I won't be irritated. I think taking on guys like Hayes has given them enough assets that they don't have to sell every guy they can. I think keeping on good players to help the reload can make sense.

And most of all, I think that there's no guiding philosophy that will cure all ills so much as just being right about individual players. Yeah, there's a risk to keeping Rakell into next season rather than trading now given his absurd shooting percentage, but if they keep him I'll judge it on how Rakell goes rather than thinking Dubas made a mistake there and then.

I know you're being snarky, but weren't Malkin-Rakell killing it to start the season last year? And because Crosby wasn't, Sullivan decided enough was enough and put Rakell with Sid instead?

Not to start last season. They didn't really play together the first two games, get put together on the 12th vs the Leafs and through the next 7 games go 3-2 on the score sheet which is nice but not killing it,

The killing it part comes from 29th vs the Wild, but you can either view that as a 6 game patch where they went 6-2, or a 3 game patch where they went 4-0 (with two of the games being the relatively easy ones of Montreal and Anaheim) followed by a 3 game patch where they went 2-2.

Then they're put together for the last 6 games and go 1-2. So not a lot of killing overall.

They were good last season though. Rakell with Geno probably does work if they can get another good winger in there.

But like, it doesn't matter. Yes he's a good player, but if you sign him I don't see a realistic path to the Penguins competing again while Marner is still elite.

Then flip him 3 years down the line once that's clearly become the case for a bigger return than you'll get for pretty much anyone else you'd spend the money on.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I don't think it's as easy as "just flip the $13M+ AAV guy with a full NMC", regardless of how Marner's game ages into his 30s.

 

[Malkinstheman]

So Lou and Shanahan both on the market now. Is it time to reunite the 2015 Leafs super management team?

 

[SEALBound]

So Lou and Shanahan both on the market now. Is it time to reunite the 2015 Leafs super management team?

I have immense respect for Lou but dear god man, it's time to retire.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

So Lou and Shanahan both on the market now. Is it time to reunite the 2015 Leafs super management team?

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Wait Lou Lamoriello hasn't shambled back to his crypt yet?!?

These are his golden years, man. What is he even still doing out here? He should be angrily hobbling up to random young men in the street and dressing them down about their hair being too long and their spats being unbuttoned OR ENTIRELY LACKING IN THE FIRST PLACE.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I like the idea of Shanahan and Roy both with the Isles, neither really wanting to be there, and ready to fight one another at any moment, 24/7.

 

[Pens x]

I think you still give Marner a call. If he says no, so be it. But if a player like that is available you gotta do your due diligence and at least call him up.

Our Czar Dubas is too busy in Europe to pay attention the free agents

 

[Jacob]

Since Jarry sucks, Ned is tradable and none of our prospects are close to ready, AHL goalie of the year Dipietro might be worth a cheap-o deal. Can offer him an easy path to NHL playing time, especially if one of the other 2 get moved.

 

[Your Boy Troy]

Canada has a year where more of their talent is willing to play in the IIHF tournament and they managed to lose Denmark. Good job, Dubas. The guy is a f***ing clown. I don't trust him to put this team in a good position.

 

[Pancakes]

Canada has a year where more of their talent is willing to play in the IIHF tournament and they managed to lose Denmark. Good job, Dubas. The guy is a f***ing clown. I don't trust him to put this team in a good position.

Lol it's the World Championships bro what GMing do you think Dubas is actually doing?

 

[Peat]

I don't think it's as easy as "just flip the $13M+ AAV guy with a full NMC", regardless of how Marner's game ages into his 30s.

Provided Marner is willing to go to a more competitive team - usually a yes - and the cap doesn't suddenly stagnate again then, yeah, not exactly difficult. Elite talent pretty much always has a buyer in this league. The return would probably be a tad disappointing but still probably higher than selling on most other UFAs you could sign as a combination of his cap hit.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

Canada has a year where more of their talent is willing to play in the IIHF tournament and they managed to lose Denmark. Good job, Dubas. The guy is a f***ing clown. I don't trust him to put this team in a good position.

Should he have traded for players from France or something?

The coaching staff was Dean Evason, Andrew Brunette, Ryan Huska, and Steve McCarthy, and the players were the best of who was available.

Not much a GM can do.

 

[bambamcam4ever]

I am in the reload now crowd and I won't be irritated. I think taking on guys like Hayes has given them enough assets that they don't have to sell every guy they can. I think keeping on good players to help the reload can make sense.

And most of all, I think that there's no guiding philosophy that will cure all ills so much as just being right about individual players. Yeah, there's a risk to keeping Rakell into next season rather than trading now given his absurd shooting percentage, but if they keep him I'll judge it on how Rakell goes rather than thinking Dubas made a mistake there and then.


Not to start last season. They didn't really play together the first two games, get put together on the 12th vs the Leafs and through the next 7 games go 3-2 on the score sheet which is nice but not killing it,

The killing it part comes from 29th vs the Wild, but you can either view that as a 6 game patch where they went 6-2, or a 3 game patch where they went 4-0 (with two of the games being the relatively easy ones of Montreal and Anaheim) followed by a 3 game patch where they went 2-2.

Then they're put together for the last 6 games and go 1-2. So not a lot of killing overall.

They were good last season though. Rakell with Geno probably does work if they can get another good winger in there.


Then flip him 3 years down the line once that's clearly become the case for a bigger return than you'll get for pretty much anyone else you'd spend the money on.

Marner would prevent the Penguins from drafting the caliber of player they need to rebuild

 

[DesertedPenguin]

Marner would prevent the Penguins from drafting the caliber of player they need to rebuild

How? Two teams with better records than the Penguins won the lottery this year. There's no guarantee of anything next year. They could be the worst team in the league, lose the lottery, and it turns out that the draft is McKenna and no one else.

The talk that next year's draft is deeper is just projection right now. It looks like it will be. But there's no guarantee of that.