Salary Cap: 24-25 Salary Thread Crosbicles Volume MXVI: End of season wrap up

[BusinessGoose]

But one is making 7+ mil per and the other's on an ELC

This is probably the only legit argument for keeping a pick vs laf

Draft picks are overrated online. It depends if we want to act like we are medium term rebuilding or immediately retooling. Any pick at our range won't play until after Crosby Era and might (likely) only be a Poulin anyway. Laf is overpaid but can play tomorrow.

 

[Ugene Magic]

Hes pretty thick so I bet he’s more like 195-200

Anyway even as listed he’s heavier or as heavy as than Point (who’s won cups as a 1C), Kadri (won a cup as a 2C), Jack Hughes, etc. strong and plays well along boards. His size is not an issue to me especially since he’s proven he can be a solid 2C at 23 years old.

So you have one comparable on a fairly stacked team. Both Kadri and Hughes are not comparable. 5'11"/6'0" isn't anything like Rossi.

 

[Sideline]

Yeah, I'm not making a 5'9" guy my 2C.

Yeah, if you had an absolute horse like Ryan Getzlaf at 1 and another horse like Jordan Staal at 3 you can maybe sneak by with a small skilled guy at 2c. The Penguins obviously aren't set up like that.

 

[Ugene Magic]

Yeah, if you had an absolute horse like Ryan Getzlaf at 1 and another horse like Jordan Staal at 3 you can maybe sneak by with a small skilled guy at 2c. The Penguins obviously aren't set up like that.

Right, they are not set up like a Tampa team as well. The Pens are a smaller team as is and he wants to trade out size to bring in a smaller guy.

There's a difference getting younger, but to get even smaller doesn't sit well.

 

[Peat]

I agree I just don’t see another combo of assets to get him with.

it’s rich but I’m also thinking “if thats your 2C or better for a decade it’s okay to overpay”

I also think if rebuild goes poorly/longer than hoped and he doesn’t fit timeline you’ll recoup it moving him out.

I dunno about that. The rebuild goes poorly, it probably tanks the 2C's numbers (whoever they are).

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

I dunno about that. The rebuild goes poorly, it probably tanks the 2C's numbers (whoever they are).

Eh. It’s a concern but not overtly so imo. Geno’s pace this year was same as Rossi full stat line. Similar TOI too. Even on the league worst Sharks Granlund threw up some points from 2nd line.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

“Look at what the Caps did with Strome, why don’t we do things like that!”

Also people…

“Lafreniere sucks! Don’t waste assets trading for him!”

Strome originally signed with Washington on a one-year, $3.5M AAV deal after he wasn't given a QO by the Hawks.

They didn't trade roughly the 10th overall pick in the draft for him, signed for seven years at $7.5M AAV.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

lol Laf makes over 7M a year?

Why are we even talking about this guy? I don't care much about cap hits these days but the idea of paying what might very well pan out to be a 40ish point middle six wing 7+ million a year is pretty nauseating.

 

[Gurglesons]

Strome originally signed with Washington on a one-year, $3.5M AAV deal after he wasn't given a QO by the Hawks.

They didn't trade roughly the 10th overall pick in the draft for him, signed for seven years at $7.5M AAV.

This draft sucks.

Laf at 7.5M will likely be low end for a player of his ability within less than two years.

Matthew Coronato who I very much like just got 6.5 x 7 off of one 20+ goal and 45 pt season.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

lol Laf makes over 7M a year?

Why are we even talking about this guy? I don't care much about cap hits these days but the idea of paying what might very well pan out to be a 40ish point middle six wing 7+ million a year is pretty nauseating.

Laf's raise (and Shesterkin's $11.5M AAV) kicks in this season.

 

[Peat]

Eh. It’s a concern but not overtly so imo. Geno’s pace this year was same as Rossi full stat line. Similar TOI too. Even on the league worst Sharks Granlund threw up some points from 2nd line.

Granlund was getting first line minutes there and, more to the point, milking the PP. Is Rossi the guy a PP is going to go through and therefore get his numbers come what may?

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Oh he hasn't even STARTED yet on that contract?

Yeah no... hard pass. Hard pass right into the Sun, thanks.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

This draft sucks.

Laf at 7.5M will likely be low end for a player of his ability within less than two years.

Matthew Coronato who I very much like just got 6.5 x 7 off of one 20+ goal and 45 pt season.

This is a good point. People are going to have to reset their expectations of what a normal, quality long-term contract looks like for complementary top six pieces. Prices are about to go up big time.

 

[Gurglesons]

Oh he hasn't even STARTED yet on that contract?

Yeah no... hard pass. Hard pass right into the Sun, thanks.

He'll be 31 when the contract is up.

You're not paying attention to the league if you think Lafreniere's contract is going to be bad.

He's exactly the type of player Dubas should be acquiring and is a way better acquisition than anything we are getting at 11th overall in this draft without question.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Granlund was getting first line minutes there and, more to the point, milking the PP. Is Rossi the guy a PP is going to go through and therefore get his numbers come what may?

Why not? He’s a better player and in this world who is on the PP above him haha.

Anyway— The goal wouldn’t be to flip him. I am acquiring him to be the 2C, maybe even 1C of the future. I am just saying that flipping him back out is your downside protection.

 

[Gurglesons]

Granlund was getting first line minutes there and, more to the point, milking the PP. Is Rossi the guy a PP is going to go through and therefore get his numbers come what may?

Why are we comparing Granlund and Rossi and what is the issue with acquiring a Granlund in his early 20s if we feel they are similar players?

Granlund in his mid 20s in a very defensive environment was putting up top 50 5v5 numbers in 16-17 and 17-18.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Not even if he came with a small bundle of middling Dairy Queens in Western PA?

Despite the discount on slightly sour DQs blizzards, I think I’m gonna pass.

 

[SEALBound]

He'll be 31 when the contract is up.

You're not paying attention to the league if you think Lafreniere's contract is going to be bad.

He's exactly the type of player Dubas should be acquiring and is a way better acquisition than anything we are getting at 11th overall in this draft without question.

I don't think anyone is debating his ability or the value of the contract. I'm say that I don't think he's available for a realistic price. He's very much the "yeah, he's good but...why?" category for trade targets.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Knies?

Id pay a 1st 2nd and 3rd for Knies 0 questions.

 

[Gurglesons]

I don't think anyone is debating his ability or the value of the contract. I'm say that I don't think he's available for a realistic price. He's very much the "yeah, he's good but...why?" category for trade targets.

Why?

Because he's 23, signed and givees you a player that can play with Sid now and then you can either potentially flip while he's in his mid to late 20s for value or can help rub off on the new group.

Same thing as Marner. These players don't get moved frequently. If you can get a 1st overall with Laf's talent on the cheap, you have to take it.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Honestly I don't care enough to take a hard stance on this. 11th or 12th overall in this draft isn't something I'm super pumped about and imagine whoever that individual is might be LUCKY to become a 45 point 7.5M dollar wing so whatever. I just don't find citing the league/GM spending habits with an increase in the cap on the horizon as a great example of smarts. Usually in the past that has ended up with a league-wide rash of buyouts a couple seasons later and deportations to whatever the newest LTIRetirement home is... which... here?

 

[Gurglesons]

Id pay a 1st 2nd and 3rd for Knies 0 questions.

This is the type of player I wouldn't target.

Knies is going to get a huge contract and is largely a utility guy.

You don't pay major money or assets for that.

 

[SEALBound]

Why?

Because he's 23, signed and givees you a player that can play with Sid now and then you can either potentially flip while he's in his mid to late 20s for value or can help rub off on the new group.

Same thing as Marner. These players don't get moved frequently. If you can get a 1st overall with Laf's talent on the cheap, you have to take it.

There's two things you're saying there - one I agree with and one I don't.

Because he's 23, signed and givees you a player that can play with Sid now and then you can either potentially flip while he's in his mid to late 20s for value or can help rub off on the new group.

Agreed.

If you can get a 1st overall with Laf's talent on the cheap

Disagree. I don't think you're getting Lafreniere on the cheap. I question if the price we have to pay for him is worth it. I don't think NYR should be trading him and I certainly don't think it's for 11ov in a weak draft. IF they lose their minds and want to do that, sure. But given that they won't, I don't think adding much beyond 11ov is productive.

 

[JRS91]

Why would the Wild even trade Rossi?

Don't they have little center depth in the AHL? It doesn't really make sense unless they wants out.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Laf has played nearly 400 games in this league with some outstanding players and has one season of note for it. And his new contract which pays him what I am told is a super reasonable 7+ million dollars is about to kick in.

I think an 11th overall in a weak draft is fine value.