Salary Cap: 24-25 Salary Thread Crosbicles Volume MXVI: End of season wrap up

[JackFr]

I'd really have loved if Dubi took the Clarke+1st for Raks that was rumored.

I doubt the new GM trades Clark now.

Was that ever rumoured or was it just me wishcasting on here/Twitter

 

[SEALBound]

I think the love for Rust goes a bit beyond the ice. Honestly, he's a 3rd round pick who has turned into nearly a top-line PPG player who can do 1PP, PK, and be good at 5v5. Came from the trenches of WBS and worked his way up the lineup and scored some BIG playoff goals en route to the cup. Whether we like it or not, this I think this organization values Rust for more than just his point totals. He also seems like a pretty good guy. There's SOME value in keeping him on the team as a mentor to the next gen of players. You don't want the recent Chatfield revelation of "when I got here, I had zero mentors".

I think you look to move him in the last year of his deal (if we wants) unless there is a mega-offer that comes in. I think the best option that would get everyone on board would be Detroit.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Sidney Crosby, Evgeni Malkin, Kris Letang.

There is no need for "vet leadership" as long as those guys are around. And by all accounts, McG seems to be that leadership type guy on his own, and will get a couple more years under his belt learning from the aforementioned guys before probably wearing a letter himself once they retire.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Was that ever rumoured or was it just me wishcasting on here/Twitter

It was just wishcasting on here.

 

[Jared Grayden]

Was that ever rumoured or was it just me wishcasting on here/Twitter

I don't recall anything specific rumored. I know Seravelli said the ask for Rakell was a prospect of Dubas' choice and two future 1st rounders. Didn't specify if the 1sts had protections. Regardless, that's an utterly insane overvaluation of Rakell as the equivalent of what Rantanen got on a sign and trade from CAR to DAL.

 

[JackFr]

I don't recall anything specific rumored. I know Seravelli said the ask for Rakell was a prospect of Dubas' choice and two future 1st rounders. Didn't specify if the 1sts had protections. Regardless, that's an utterly insane overvaluation of Rakell as the equivalent of what Rantanen got on a sign and trade from CAR to DAL.

Seravelli hates Dubas in an obsessive way so IDK if I trust that...

 

[SomeDude]

Was that ever rumoured or was it just me wishcasting on here/Twitter

Just here. Pretty sure Emp was beating the Clarke drum.

If Dubas would have turned that down, he should be legally barred from being involved in hockey.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Just here. Pretty sure Emp was beating the Clarke drum.

If Dubas would have turned that down, he should be legally barred from being involved in hockey.

I was advocating for Rakell for Clarke but I don't recall anything that suggested that Dubas was actually offered that.

 

[Ragamuffin Gunner]

Was that ever rumoured or was it just me wishcasting on here/Twitter

I don't remember if that was confirmed but I do remember the link between the two teams and "1st+prospect" being the price with Dubi wanting two 1sts.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Seravelli hates Dubas in an obsessive way so IDK if I trust that...

Whatever his beef is it is so unprofessionally ridiculous lmao

Bunting for Schenn (2nd + 4th) Novak was “arguably the dumbest hockey trade that’s been executed in the last 25 years”… that’s a real quote.

like dude.

 

[SomeDude]

Sidney Crosby, Evgeni Malkin, Kris Letang.

There is no need for "vet leadership" as long as those guys are around. And by all accounts, McG seems to be that leadership type guy on his own, and will get a couple more years under his belt learning from the aforementioned guys before probably wearing a letter himself once they retire.

Yea this is where I’m at. It makes no sense to keep Rust and Rakell if other teams are willing to pay for them.

It’s not like there aren’t going to be other vet forwards left needing a contract this summer that can fill their roles. If you offer a guy a 2 year deal and everyone else only is offering a 1 year, he’s coming to you. We don’t need to worry about our cap for the next few years.

 

[Jared Grayden]

Seravelli hates Dubas in an obsessive way so IDK if I trust that...

Very true he has an irrational hatred of certain people and Dubas is one of them. Though in this case Yohe didn't have specifics, but also commented about the asking price being very rich too so I think there's at least some backup verification.

 

[Ugene Magic]

I don't recall anything specific rumored. I know Seravelli said the ask for Rakell was a prospect of Dubas' choice and two future 1st rounders. Didn't specify if the 1sts had protections. Regardless, that's an utterly insane overvaluation of Rakell as the equivalent of what Rantanen got on a sign and trade from CAR to DAL.

You can't use Rantanen's as the bases to Rakell's, Rantanen held the cards where he went because, nobody would/should trade for someone they don't know if he'll sign. (Though the Canes did) Dallas gave up 2 late 1sts in (top 10 protected) 2026 and 2028, 2 - 3rds 2026 and 2027 and Stankhoven.

So they got immediate help in Stankoven and pure future assets not even in this upcoming draft.

How is a prospect of Dubas's choice and 2 late 1sts equal to what Rantanen got? Rantanen got 5 pieces and signed a 12 x 8 deal.

The situations are clearly different and one is set at one helluva ridiculously low cap hit.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Yeah the details on being signed or not and contract status kind of make sense.. until you remember Rantanen was a cup winning, 55 goal, 100 pt 6 foot 5 beast with 101 playoff points in 81 games until this TDL.

It’s not a comparable situation haha.

And while I like Rakell he will be forgotten in the annals of history, unlike guys like Rantanen and Bryan Rust.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Wasn't there some

Yeah the details on being signed or not kind and contract status kind of make sense.. until you remember Rantanen was a cup winning, 55 goal, 100 pt 6 foot 5 beast with 101 playoff points in 81 games until this TDL.

It’s not a comparable situation haha.

And while I like Rakell he will be forgotten in the anals of history, unlike guys like Rantanen and Bryan Rust.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Wasn't there some

I would say autocorrect but idk if that makes things any better

 

[Jared Grayden]

You can't use Rantanen's as the bases to Rakell's, Rantanen held the cards where he went because, nobody would/should trade for someone they don't know if he'll sign. (Though the Canes did) Dallas gave up 2 late 1sts in (top 10 protected) 2026 and 2028, 2 - 3rds 2026 and 2027 and Stankhoven.

So they got immediate help in Stankoven and pure future assets not even in this upcoming draft.

How is a prospect of Dubas's choice and 2 late 1sts equal to what Rantanen got? Rantanen got 5 pieces and signed a 12 x 8 deal.

The situations are clearly different and one is set at one helluva ridiculously low cap hit.

Top 10 protected isn't a guarantee to be a late 1sts and I admitted we don't know what protections Dubas was willing to allow- if any. Top prospect is less than Stankoven, but not a tremendous amount.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

The only way Sid ever ends up in Colorado or anywhere else is if he initiates the process and goes to Dubas to ask out. There's been a flood of evidence saying the opposite; that he wants to stay in Pittsburgh until he retires, regardless.

But boredom is a hell of a drug.

WEll they are buddies.

If Crosby wants to go. I imagine Dubas sells him for cheap. Crosby signed a sweet heart deal and signed when he had no obligations to. He could have waited and signed for 10 million. Then at that point we want assets.

I do wonder if Colorado would be like Dubas how about our firsts 3 and 4 years from now. (Honestly I know this isn't the NBA but I may take them up on that if unprotected)

Whatever his beef is it is so unprofessionally ridiculous lmao

Bunting for Schenn (2nd + 4th) Novak was “arguably the dumbest hockey trade that’s been executed in the last 25 years”… that’s a real quote.

like dude.

Agreed anything Dubas does is bad in his head.

Dubas has done some bad in his signings but every trade has been a tie or loss minus one trade
The Karlsson trade is just under a tie but with proper asset management should become not a loss.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Even a late 1st is worth more to this team now and moving forward than Rakell or Rust. /shrug

 

[Ugene Magic]

Yeah the details on being signed or not and contract status kind of make sense.. until you remember Rantanen was a cup winning, 55 goal, 100 pt 6 foot 5 beast with 101 playoff points in 81 games until this TDL.

It’s not a comparable situation haha.

And while I like Rakell he will be forgotten in the annals of history, unlike guys like Rantanen and Bryan Rust.

It doesn't change anything to what I said.

Trading from a point of weakness to trading from point of strength.

It really doesn't matter what you perceive him to be, Rantanen with 3 years term left would be getting a far better return.

Like 2 prospects, 2 1sts and those 3rds turn into 2nds. And he would be worth it.

Top 10 protected isn't a guarantee to be a late 1sts and I admitted we don't know what protections Dubas was willing to allow- if any. Top prospect is less than Stankoven, but not a tremendous amount.

The late 1sts are predicated on Dallas being a perennial contender adding Rantanen. Going deep into the playoffs. For years.

The terms of protection is almost automatic these days.

And as I stated above, the two scenarios are complete opposites Both in return and status.

 

[Fordy]

I mean if Sid came to the Penguins and told them he wanted out and would only waive to Colorado (which is what this imaginary scenario is suggesting) that’s not really going to mean anything

yeah i mean what if he brought a gun to the rink and held dubas in his office until he traded him. still think the pens say no?

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

I’m not saying it will happen or that Sid would even ask (because I don’t believe he will). But you are absolutely insane if you don’t think Nate MacKinnon, coming off the heels of another early elimination isn’t going to be in Sid’s ear about playing together and chasing a cup. He would be crazy not to try and get his best friend, who is still one of the best players in the world to come play with him on a contender when he sees the situation the Penguins are in.

Poor old mentally weak Crosby, always following the crowd with no thoughts of his own, suscepitible to the slightest suggestion.

Really makes you wonder how he managed to lead teams to club and international championships at the highest level so many times. Perhaps MacKinnon was pulling his strings all along.

 

[JackFr]

Crosby's had this option for years. You think MacKinnon wasn't bugging him about Colorado before the extension? He's never shown any inclination towards it. Maybe if it's literally his last season and we're still in the basement, but seems to me like nothing has changed.

 

[HandshakeLine]

If Nate MacKinnon is so worried about an early elimination, he can come here. Can't get eliminated if you don't make the playoffs!

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I just think Sid's way too much a creature of habit, to a near psychotic degree, to just pick up his entire life and start anew with another team for the final two seasons of NHL hockey he has left in him. That, and we've heard since he was drafted that he's always idolized Yzerman and the one team career thing is insanely important to him.

Even if it'd be the best decision for him with regard to chasing one final Cup, he's just not gonna ever make the decision to initiate his exit. Won't happen, imo. I'm not even speaking from the standpoint of someone who wants him to stick around at all costs. I don't really give a shit tbh. If he wants to compete, thus asking out, he's earned that right and it wouldn't tarnish his legacy as a Penguin or overall career imo.