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Huh? I didn’t say that…the bolder statement you’re referring to means I don’t want to give up another forward prospect like Koivunen for him…don’t know how else you interpreted that but it’s wrong
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The trading a 1st for him is so outlandish, and even moreso to trade someone to garnish a 1st and use to get him.
People have these weird fantasies about overpaying/overreaching for players. But they won't use the NYR's 1st pick like it's some sacred asset. Especially since it's opted to 2026 most likely.
They have what's needed to get the job done. Roster player, 2nd/ Prospect, 2nd/ 2nd, 3rd/ 2-2nds
They are not really in position to ask a high price.
At #31/32 he is essentially a 2nd round pick. I wouldn't reach as far as some are overreacting to doing. Some people just want to trade Rakell at any cost, for any reason.
Howard isn't some have to go to any length to get prospect. Maybe if he was a center or perceived can't miss D-man.
Empoleon8771
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Oh no, people want a rebuilding team to trade a guy coming off a career season and use his return to acquire a prospect that was a 1st rounder and just won the Hobey Baker. What insanity!
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I don't think anybody is suggesting giving up a high to mid 1st for him. We're proposing to trade Rakell or Rust for a 1st+ (prospect/young player), probably from a contending team.
Any Penguins 1st should be off limits. The Rangers' 1st rounder, whether it's 11th overall this draft or an unprotected 1st next year, should be off limits too imo. But if this team could get Howard for two 2nds, or a later 1st by way of trading EK, Rust or Rakell, then yeah. Dubas should absolutely be trying to get the dude.
He may not pan out, he may bust, but this is the kinda moves the team should be looking to make alongside the tanking effort.
Any Penguins 1st should be off limits. The Rangers' 1st rounder, whether it's 11th overall this draft or an unprotected 1st next year, should be off limits too imo. But if this team could get Howard for two 2nds, or a later 1st by way of trading EK, Rust or Rakell, then yeah. Dubas should absolutely be trying to get the dude.
He may not pan out, he may bust, but this is the kinda moves the team should be looking to make alongside the tanking effort.
Empoleon8771
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I also wouldn't rule out using the Rangers 1st this year to get Howard, but that would be something like trading down from #11 to a later 1st and then trading that later first for Howard. I wouldn't trade #11 for Howard, but I would trade #11 for like #18 and #35 followed by #18 for Howard.
AuroraBorealis
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It's a shame we can't trade for Hellebuyck, due to his NMC. No one has more power to carry you to the playoffs than him.
Then when you get there you just use the backup, and tell him to rest up and prepare for October.
Like yeah, you'll lose in R1, but there's no chance in Hell we make it in next year without him. It'd be better for optics, which is what this retirement tour is all about. Well, that and sales.
Then when you get there you just use the backup, and tell him to rest up and prepare for October.
Like yeah, you'll lose in R1, but there's no chance in Hell we make it in next year without him. It'd be better for optics, which is what this retirement tour is all about. Well, that and sales.
Ugene Magic
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But you are putting what you want over what the team is actually doing. You call it rebuild, they call it retool because it is what they are doing.
You are speaking in fantasy talk here. Which is fine if that's all anyone really thinks you mean. You want it to happen, so if you say it enough it must be true.
Hobey Baker or not, a 1st is dumb, and the kids' attitude doesn't speak so well that does he want to come here even? Without knowing I'm not even offering a 2nd let alone trading a valuable asset so you can facilitate a lesser asset.
I literally can't take you serious about any of these fantasy takes. That's all they are. Which again, is okay if it is all you are offering it up as. You believe in this BS you are trying to sell.
They will not be getting this year's 1st. Might as well get that fantasy off your mind. They don't have to let the Pens know until June 25th. They'd be stupid letting it go. Especially if it's a lottery pick which we'll find out Monday. Next year's pick will most certainly be worse, much worse.
You are literally what I consider one of those people who would be okay with a revolving door of prospects.
Exabit A:
How's this any different with Rakell in it when you're adding Marner?
Also, Tampa's lineup is logjammed, the Pens not so much. Not where Rakell needs removed. There needs to be room for him to fight for a spot, not hand him a spot right out of the gate.
The Pens have 2 top six wing regulars and 4 more wing spots in the top 9 for the prospects to fight for.
Straight to Crosby's line... This all-screams fantasy talk.
You are speaking in fantasy talk here. Which is fine if that's all anyone really thinks you mean. You want it to happen, so if you say it enough it must be true.
Hobey Baker or not, a 1st is dumb, and the kids' attitude doesn't speak so well that does he want to come here even? Without knowing I'm not even offering a 2nd let alone trading a valuable asset so you can facilitate a lesser asset.
I literally can't take you serious about any of these fantasy takes. That's all they are. Which again, is okay if it is all you are offering it up as. You believe in this BS you are trying to sell.
They will not be getting this year's 1st. Might as well get that fantasy off your mind. They don't have to let the Pens know until June 25th. They'd be stupid letting it go. Especially if it's a lottery pick which we'll find out Monday. Next year's pick will most certainly be worse, much worse.
You are literally what I consider one of those people who would be okay with a revolving door of prospects.
Exabit A:
How's this any different with Rakell in it when you're adding Marner?
Also, Tampa's lineup is logjammed, the Pens not so much. Not where Rakell needs removed. There needs to be room for him to fight for a spot, not hand him a spot right out of the gate.
The Pens have 2 top six wing regulars and 4 more wing spots in the top 9 for the prospects to fight for.
Straight to Crosby's line... This all-screams fantasy talk.
I don’t mind the plan of trading Rakell for 1st+ and then using that 1st to acquire Howard.
But no way we trade 9th or 11th overall for him like Gurgs mentioned. Or Koivunen for that matter. Dude was basically a ppg winger for us to end the season.
Pickering might get their attention tbh, only if we have a plan in place to get another young LHD.
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The sooner you accept that the Penguins are rebuilding, the sooner you'll realize that the novels you are posting are completely nonsensical.
You seem to be the only one on here who refuses to acknowledge what this team is, and you're just ranting that everyone else has come to reality with the state of this franchise.
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It's very funny to watch people who are simply unable or unwilling to accept that the era's dead, and has been for years at this point. 
It's over, dude. Move on.
It's over, dude. Move on.Pens are rebuilding. Karlsson, and one of the forwards are game for adding younger talent for developing the next core or roster. Dubas will not compromise competing but also needs to transition to the next phase of the Pens path. The new coach will be involved in development as much as winning games. Cap room may allow some filling of some holes but the greater emphasis is talent. I am not crazy about the Tampa forward as Pens already have players who will fit that mode. McGroarty, Koivunen and one of Ponomarev, Poulin and eventually Howe will be left wing players. Pens need centers especially RH centers from the draft and RW's besides the RW from the Vancouver trade in the system. Love to get O'Brien and or Martin. with picks. Then if Rust or Karlsson bring back a higher end pick, RW and is my next pick.
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Howard is every bit as good a prospect, or better, than McG, based on scouting reports and stuff from guys like Pronman and Wheeler. Different styles, and not core pieces, but important supporting cast guys if everything works out and they hit their potential.
He's also not really like anybody the Pens have either, imo. He scores off the rush a ton, he's got a heck of a shot, great hands. Way more singularly offensive-minded. I guess maybe Koivunen is similar? But I dunno.
He's also not really like anybody the Pens have either, imo. He scores off the rush a ton, he's got a heck of a shot, great hands. Way more singularly offensive-minded. I guess maybe Koivunen is similar? But I dunno.
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To be fair it was over after the Montreal series and many of the people said we were being alarmist for calling that out.It's very funny to watch people who are simply unable or unwilling to accept that the era's dead, and has been for years at this point.
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2019 - Well that's weird. The coach didn't even try to adjust to handle the Isles' forecheck. Hmm.To be fair it was over after the Montreal series and many of the people said we were being alarmist for calling that out.
2020 - Oh, the coach rode an abominable defense pairing in JJ-Schultz into the ground and refused to mix up the forward lines despite two straight playoffs of stale production from Jake-Sid-Rust. And Mario doesn't care enough to make any changes? Hmm.
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Ahh this boards obsession with “shaking up” up the top six. I remember when Beau Bennett was just not getting enough ice time with Sid, good times 
But to be serious, I’m all about giving Sid the talent right now for no other reason than to move him up the all time points list. Might as well give him something to play for as his career sunsets.
But to be serious, I’m all about giving Sid the talent right now for no other reason than to move him up the all time points list. Might as well give him something to play for as his career sunsets.
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Believe this is called schizophrenia.It's very funny to watch people who are simply unable or unwilling to accept that the era's dead, and has been for years at this point.
Joona Koppanen for the Finns. Neither Koivunen or Puustinen will be on the roster. Rakell was invited but turned it down. Our favourite trade target, Isaac Howard will be suting up for the US. Harrison Brunicke is part of the pre-tournmanet roster which is pretty cool and a perk of Dubas being GM.
In terms of former Pens, DOC will be playing for the US, Pettersson for Sweden.
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Ugene Magic
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It's very funny to watch people who are simply unable or unwilling to accept that the era's dead, and has been for years at this point.
To be fair it was over after the Montreal series and many of the people said we were being alarmist for calling that out.
It's all the same small crowd 4/5 patting each other's backs.
I'll look forward to everyone's frowny faces when none of them get moved, putting the how wrong you're on rebuild this year is. Everything you are crediting to a rebuild still isn't how rebuilds work up to this point.
They are telling you what they are doing, and your refusal to believe them is hilarious. Retool/Capitals view. That's Karlsson, Rakell and Rust not going anywhere. You might as well just put Crosby in your trades.
Yes, Emp, they said they were done collecting assets and the time to put some to use is getting put in effect next.
Let me know when Dubas just starts unloading everyone with term.
I'm the only one not throwing out, out of the realm hypotheticals.
Trading Rakell to gain picks to send out for Howard. Bring in Marner. I mean the takes are pretty far out there.
You keep punching away at using the NYR's pick to trade back when they are not giving it to us in 2025. It's going to be 2026. They are getting a decent player at #11. Who cares if 2026 is a deeper draft. That's the pick to trade for immediate help. You want to throw that away on Howard be my guest, I still don't think he's worth it. Not being anything critical to building a future roster like a center or top D prospect.
Wasting a 1st on him seems foolish. Trading a player out to gain a 1st to send for him is even more foolish. If Howe didn't do his ACL I'd say him and the Caps 2nd should do. Both undersized LW's.
You guys are hilarious at throwing out the fantasy hypotheticals constantly, though.
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I love Howard's upside. Very much boom/bust, but his ceiling is high. I'd give up quite a bit for him, but I feel like he has 1 or 2 specific places he wants to go and we are neither of them.
Empoleon8771
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I think it's tough to tell what Howard's intentions are here. I think he was planning on signing with the Lightning if it would burn a year off his ELC, but they couldn't do that due to the cap. If it's a guaranteed NHL role, the Penguins can give that to him pretty easily. If it's a specific location, then yeah that changes things.
He's from Wisconsin so there's not like a "local" team that he'd want to go to over another one, like how Fox forced himself to the Rangers.
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