Salary Cap: 24-25 Salary Thread Crosbicles Volume MXVI: End of season wrap up

[cygnus47]

I think that's more due to personnel in recent years than a Sully preference. I mean if you sign Noel Acciari he's not getting to the middle of the ice very often lol. Granted Sully was likely partially responsible for such signings but that was always one of the complaints about Sully, right? He wanted guys who didn't even necessarily fit the way he said he wanted the team to play lol.

Whatever the case I just hope our next coach brings in a more entertaining style. We're gonna stink regardless, might as well be entertaining to watch.

Eh it's both. The way we play D in our zone, we don't get the puck high in the zone and we don't intercept pucks in the middle of the ice. Generally we pick up rebounds and win pucks behind our own net. It's easy for our opponents to set up their neutral zone so it's hard for us to get through the middle of the ice. The one thing where we lack skill is that guys don't keep their heads up and make weighted dump plays along the boards. We just get the puck out however we can and hope that it goes to one of our guys.

 

[Peat]

Pretty much every team that has beaten the others at scouting for a while has had some sort of competitive edge rather than just being better scouts. Hakan Andersson pretty much having his pick of Europe, Bill Nunn and the HBCUs, and so on. Occasionally having better stats.

I'm sure Dubas is mostly competent and works hard at finding competitive edges - which previous Penguins regimes haven't - but that's it.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

I mean if nothing else Dubas HAS a staff which shockingly was a bit of a concern there before he was hired.

 

[chethejet]

Dubas knew a different approach was needed. Everything will change as to style, PP, puck movement ect. It is necessary to elevate the play as it is about the team and not star players now. Dubas will bring in what is needed on d and change the dynamic there. He moves Karlsson as part one. But for the first time in a decade, new blood and a fresh start.

 

[Jacob]

People have mentioned Orlov and he makes sense here as a bit of a stop-gap until someone younger is ready. Seems like he’s okay with shorter deals in exchange for higher salary. He got 2x7.75 after a career year but in Carolina his minutes and points are down just due to how Brind’Amour deploys guys. Maybe like 2x6.5. Very tradable if we’re non-competitive, and he can play the right side if Letang is done or Karlsson is dealt.

Then offer-sheet Hague.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

People have mentioned Orlov and he makes sense here as a bit of a stop-gap until someone younger is ready. Seems like he’s okay with shorter deals in exchange for higher salary. He got 2x7.75 after a career year but in Carolina his minutes and points are down just due to how Brind’Amour deploys guys. Maybe like 2x6.5. Very tradable if we’re non-competitive, and he can play the right side if Letang is done or Karlsson is dealt.

Then offer-sheet Hague.

I think Pickering has a chance at handling 2LD at a decent level. Was impressed with him for stints, and he'll be a year older.
If he does, that's big savings at such an important position.

 

[Malkinstheman]

I don't know if we have to worry about the Rags being good again next year. A coaching group made up of Sullivan and Torts is jokes. Both of these guys will probably end up killing Miller by the end of training camp

 

[Jacob]

I do not see Torts as working out as an assistant. He’d probably pull his hair out with not having total control and final say.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

What would possess someone to make Quinn a head coach again? Jesus.
Yeah, okay, he can coach a Power play. Last I checked that can't carry you when you suck at everything else, as we saw this year.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

I do not see Torts as working out as an assistant. He’d probably pull his hair out with not having total control and final say.

He would start off amicably with his old friend, playing the role fine. Trying to show people he's well adjusted now, like he has many times before. Then over time he'd get more and more pushy and vocal, to the point where they'd yell at each other in the room.
God, I wish I could see clips of that.

 

[Gurglesons]

I do not see Torts as working out as an assistant. He’d probably pull his hair out with not having total control and final say.

Doesn't say he's going to be a coach. Says he's got a job in the org.

 

[Deport Ogie]

Doesn't say he's going to be a coach. Says he's got a job in the org.

I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't even want to coach at this point. Homie has been around awhile and basically bitched his way out from behind the bench in Philly.

 

[Jacob]

Doesn't say he's going to be a coach. Says he's got a job in the org.

I don’t know what else it would be.

 

[Gurglesons]

I don’t know what else it would be.

Some office job like it was rumored he was going to move into in Philly.

 

[SEALBound]

Torts is there to help Sullivan with his post-game media interviews.

 

[66-30-33]

NYR coached by Sullivan, and assistants Torts and Quinn.

 

[Jared Grayden]

What would possess someone to make Quinn a head coach again? Jesus.
Yeah, okay, he can coach a Power play. Last I checked that can't carry you when you suck at everything else, as we saw this year.

Because Quinn coached the Rangers and Sharks during rebuilds where player development and not winning was the objective. Which is where Pittsburgh is likely heading.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Well one thing's a pretty safe bet; A Sullivan/Torts coaching combo is gonna do wonders for salvaging the career of a guy like Lafreniere. Also, gonna be a great place for a guy like Perreault to blossom.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

What would possess someone to make Quinn a head coach again? Jesus.
Yeah, okay, he can coach a Power play. Last I checked that can't carry you when you suck at everything else, as we saw this year.

Quinn will be the emergency option as head coach here.

Dubas is going to search far and wide. If some strange circumstance happens - like Rutherford being turned down by Willie Friggin' Desjardins back in 2014 - then Quinn is already under contract and they just give him a basic three-year deal.

But I doubt it will come to that.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

NYR coached by Sullivan, and assistants Torts and Quinn.

Quinn supposedly isn't joining the staff because he wants to be a head coach.

 

[DesertPenguin]

I think Pickering has a chance at handling 2LD at a decent level. Was impressed with him for stints, and he'll be a year older.
If he does, that's big savings at such an important position.

Pickering at 2LD is fine but we still need a bonafide 1LD and with a young kid like that, a veteran 3LD too. TBH that might just end up being Graves as 3LD where they give him one more chance with a new coach and system to rehabilitate. We're not trying to win anyway and the buyout will hurt less next offseason.

Mark my words Dubas's biggest.splash this summer will be at 1LD, via trade or offer sheet, for a player 26 or younger. Think Chychrun when the Caps acquired him.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Because Quinn coached the Rangers and Sharks during rebuilds where player development and not winning was the objective. Which is where Pittsburgh is likely heading.

Just because he did something doesn't mean he's good at it, and a worthy candidate to develop our next wave. Woodcroft is available, for example. He's a .643 coach that won 3 series in 2 years. Multiple division titles in the AHL. Good communicator. Highly intelligent and hungry.
There's no need for a shitter like Quinn.

Quinn will be the emergency option as head coach here.

Dubas is going to search far and wide. If some strange circumstance happens - like Rutherford being turned down by Willie Friggin' Desjardins back in 2014 - then Quinn is already under contract and they just give him a basic three-year deal.

But I doubt it will come to that.

Hopefully not. If they let it get that far, with all the time they have, then that's just straight up negligence.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Pickering at 2LD is fine but we still need a bonafide 1LD and with a young kid like that, a veteran 3LD too. TBH that might just end up being Graves as 3LD where they give him one more chance with a new coach and system to rehabilitate. We're not trying to win anyway and the buyout will hurt less next offseason.

Mark my words Dubas's biggest.splash this summer will be at 1LD, via trade or offer sheet, for a player 26 or younger. Think Chychrun when the Caps acquired him.

Yeah I agree that that will happen. Dubas pretty much spelled out that he would do that anyway.
I expect 2nds/3rds to go this summer.

 

[OtherThingsILike]

I mean... OK sure... if Mitch Marner desperately wants to become a Pittsburgh Penguin then by all means.

There that solves that. Because why TF would he ever want to come here?

There isn't any great reason, but he's from Toronto, so he might want to be out of the Toronto spotlight but still in the vicinity of Toronto.

Kane was a big time accumulator though, his best seasons offensively all came relatively late in his career, when Chicago was good he was putting up like 70-80 points. McKenna might not hit his career highs or totals, maybe, but I think consistently he has the potential to be a better player from the jump than Kane was. Will depend on his situation though since Kane never was without significant help.

Back when Chicago was good, 80 points was a fantastic season. The Art Ross winner in 2015 won it with 87 points.

What the heck happened to that place?
Used to be funny and off the wall stuff, but now it's old and tired. Oh wait, I just described myself

The site that owns Pensburgh and the related sites stopped supporting its hockey content, so the remaining few pages are just really dedicated writers.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Boy reminds me of SOMETHING eh?

I was gonna say that is exactly what Sully’s system without the elite hands of Crosby looks like.

Anyhow have fun NYC.