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I think the problems are different but maybe stem from the same inability to cut bait and properly identify which assets worth trading and which are worth holding onto.
Yeah this is a huge piece of building if you don’t get lucky as shit and pull off guys who are clearly no brainer stars/studs within like 2-3 years in Malkin, Crosby, Staal

I would also say a willingness to go against consensus. Power isn’t bad but maybe you go Luke Hughes instead. Yakupov a more extreme example (even though he was solid his rookie year).
 
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Ok here’s a positive one for you. No TJ winning a Vezina….would be hilarious to get 2 high firsts in both 26 and 27 from NYR and Sully bumbling around with Rust :laugh:
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It only scares me in the sense that I think Kyle Dubas and FSG are capable of being as stupid as Edmonton and Buffalo.

Otherwise, a lot of their issues were completely self created and easy to avoid by not signing crappy guys to contracts or refusing to fill glaring holes.
Yeah, I don't really think it's the fault of the high draft picks there, but simply the realization that a team needs to function as a team, not as a few talented individuals and a roster that is an afterthought.

Pens were lucky in the sense that we hired people that designed good rosters that took advantage of our strengths and many franchises do not.
 
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Yeah this is a huge piece of building if you don’t get lucky as shit and pull off guys who are clearly no brainer stars/studs within like 2-3 years in Malkin, Crosby, Staal

I would also say a willingness to go against consensus. Power isn’t bad but maybe you go Luke Hughes instead. Yakupov a more extreme example (even though he was solid his rookie year).
Even if you draft a Crosby or McJesus, the team has to function outside of them too. That's what killed the Oilers for years, we'll see if this year's going to be any different.
 
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Yeah, I don't really think it's the fault of the high draft picks there, but simply the realization that a team needs to function as a team, not as a few talented individuals and a roster that is an afterthought.

Pens were lucky in the sense that we hired people that designed good rosters that took advantage of our strengths and many franchises do not.
The other reality is the Caps showed you can be managed very well with terrific rosters top to bottom for years and years and really only get one deep run out of it. Like some of those 2010s teams for them were so f***ing good.

Sharks too.
 
I would also say a willingness to go against consensus. Power isn’t bad but maybe you go Luke Hughes instead. Yakupov a more extreme example (even though he was solid his rookie year).
Scouting is the prime thing here, and while Dubas has proven to be a bit better thus far than some of his predecessors, I think we still can't say for certain.

It's also why I'm skeptical that people are all of a sudden taking scouts at face value about the depth of drafts and consensus picks and whatever. I know nothing about these kids but then again, same with most of the public scouting organizations. :laugh:
 
I feel like a good 70% of the time, the consensus 1st overall pick ends up being the wrong one. :laugh: I'm way too lazy to look up the past decade or so of drafts to check though.
 
I feel like a good 70% of the time, the consensus 1st overall pick ends up being the wrong one. :laugh: I'm way too lazy to look up the past decade or so of drafts to check though.
You don’t even need to get the best player in the draft to win though. You just need to get a player capable of winning.

Like Eichel won before McDavid

Barkov ain’t MacKinnon. But they’ve both won.
 
Like it or not, getting the franchise player is only one of many steps, the real challenge is still building a team. It's just easier to build around someone who's a generational talent, but even then it's not fool proof and as we show, easy for a coach or a GM to derail.
 
Even if you draft a Crosby or McJesus, the team has to function outside of them too. That's what killed the Oilers for years, we'll see if this year's going to be any different.
That's why it's important to collect good young kids now. I think you can always those 1-2 top six wings in FA or through trade and I think some times have shown it's relatively easy to build out a decent defence by any of the three methods. So you can mix and match which way you do it. The key is not give 2nd rate players 1st rate contracts, ESPECIALLY in goal.
 
Marner just exercised his NMC at the deadline and would definitely be getting a NMC for most if not all the contract. Signing him and expecting him to waive is asking for a bad situation.
The major reason he would come here is to play alongside his childhood idol. Once Sid retired, he should be amicable to moving on to a contender if the team is complete dogshit at that point imo.
 
With Edmonton, who wants to actually go there? The Canadian dollar, out in the middle of nowhere. It's another Winnepeg.

Their best years were when the franchise jumped from the WHA. Once that core dispersed it was like trying to bring back a ghost. McDavid should have ran fast and far.

But we'd never have gotten this...

 
The other key seems to be moving on from players while they still have value.
True. Honestly though, once Sid is gone, Dubas is in, and FSG is the owner, I'm not sure we see much of that "deep sense of loyalty" to non-franchise players.

We shouldn't even have that now but I do think when you had Mario/Burkle as owners and 15+ years of Sid, Geno, Letang, etc that attachments were made that weren't always the best thing.
 
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Even if you draft a Crosby or McJesus, the team has to function outside of them too. That's what killed the Oilers for years, we'll see if this year's going to be any different.
Chiarelli killed the Oilers for years. They would have had prime years of Hall and Eberle with McDavid/Drai without his idiocy.
 
Scouting is the prime thing here, and while Dubas has proven to be a bit better thus far than some of his predecessors, I think we still can't say for certain.

It's also why I'm skeptical that people are all of a sudden taking scouts at face value about the depth of drafts and consensus picks and whatever. I know nothing about these kids but then again, same with most of the public scouting organizations. :laugh:
Has he though?
 
Has he though?

Amateur scouting and drafting are one of the only things I'm pretty sold on re: Dubas. His track record over the course of his career is pretty good considering the picks he's had and I think he's done good work there so far, here. Though clearly it's a little premature to say for certain right now.

Pro scouting? Fair enough lol
 
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