Salary Cap: 24-25 Salary Thread Crosbicles Volume MXVI: End of season wrap up

[Jacob]

I don't think the Pens have their own 2nd this season.

Wouldn’t it be next year’s?

 

[Malkinstheman]

Wouldn’t it be next year’s?

Yeah, any offersheet this summer would use picks from 2026

 

[GilbertSeinfeld]

Ha, that's right, duh.

Carry on then.

 

[MetalheadPenguinsFan]

I still remember when you could buy an infinite amount of food at Taco Bell for like $20.

Tell me about it.

Here in Canada now their measly little soft “beef” tacos are $3.35 each!

And $4.45 if you want the “Supreme” version

Shit, I remember when you could get 5 of their little soft beef tacos for $5 with a coupon.

 

[Ulf5]

An offer sheet candidate would be Cam York. Young, LD which we need, already a bit disgruntled with Philly. Go like 3.5 to 4 and it’s only a 2nd as compensation.

As far as trades for RFAs teams might not be able to afford, Florida might be in a pinch. Return of the Mackie? if Rak or Rust is moved?

 

[Ugene Magic]

Tell me about it.

Here in Canada now their measly little soft “beef” tacos are $3.35 each!

And $4.45 if you want the “Supreme” version

Shit, I remember when you could get 5 of their little soft beef tacos for $5 with a coupon.

You can get the box of 12 tacos for $20.00 here.

 

[Ragamuffin Gunner]

Washington proved that if you take big swings and try to compete your team can compete.

They also didn't accept mediocrity from their players or coaching staff.

They've fired two coaches since they won a cup after Sullivan's.

They moved players at the deadline last season despite being in playoff position.

They had a plan. They committed on a yearly basis.

Also, I'm very confused how Dubas expects to follow "the Washington" model by trading EK and with Malkin likely retiring next year.

Any assesment of Washington's rebuild w/o refrencing the 20M in free cap space they got last summer, along with not having to play two of their old farts, isn't worth reading.

If they still had Backstrom and Oshie giving them Malkin/Hayes like seasons and Kuzy's 4M retained cap penalty, no way do they look anything like they are right now.

 

[eXile3]

Washington took advantage of other teams dumb mistakes. Strome was their leading scorer and Chicago just let him walk at 25. I don’t see that happening too often so I’m not sure how Dubas is going to replicate that.

Dubois they took a risk that I can’t imagine Dubas would take. He’s about low risk, high safety, complacency.

 

[Empoleon8771]

The guy that traded for Erik Karlsson is all about "low risk, high safety"?

 

[LOGiK]

Is this the pathetic thread where fans of this dying shell of a hockey club gather?

Someone call Mike Rowe, to hose the faeces out of the front office and locker room and on the ice too but that is probably already gone.

Another sad year with two scoundrels having a jolly fine time over there ... like ticks, just can't get rid of them once they've dug in.

How is it, that nobody sat behind DFLHCMS-POS and heckled the man to no end, or at least held up a sign with something funny yet true.... ie, dood your system sucks.... or .... how are you not fired yet? or.... 7th year botched / blown or no playoffs running!

COME ON PEEEEEEEEEOPLE!

 

[eXile3]

The guy that traded for Erik Karlsson is all about "low risk, high safety"?

You mean that one trade he did so he could say “I tried” before gutting the team, yes. Show me where else he’s taken a risk.

 

[PensFutures]

Rutger skating with Ty Hennes today. Rakell making a brief cameo.

 

[Darren McCord]

Yes it will. Because now you are needing to acquire a top pairing defenseman and another top six forward.

You can't do the Washington model if you don't have the support staff that Washington had.

The reality is we are forcing ourselves into doing a full rebuild, Dubas is just not saying it.

Washington was pretty much a full rebuild. They have like 3 players left from the cup.

They lucked out getting 16 million in capspace a year early to bring in players like dubios and chycrun last summer.

Dubas is not lying either. He is rebuilding and being obvious about it. He just is saying he won't tear it down. Which he isn't doing. I don't get acting like he is saying something different than what he is doing.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

I mean... there are two big things that separate Washington and Pittsburgh in regards to where they are currently... drafting and development and THAT team's ownership and GM being willing to do what it takes to win up to and including *gasp* firing a coach they deemed ineffectual and contrary to their goals.

 

[Andy99]

I mean... there are two big things that separate Washington and Pittsburgh in regards to where they are currently... drafting and development and THAT team's ownership and GM being willing to do what it takes to win up to and including *gasp* firing a coach they deemed ineffectual and contrary to their goals.

Yeah, I mean I love how Dubas and the Pens media, when discussing the Caps retool, conveniently leave out the firing of the coach lol…that was critical to their success too

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

I'm sure it's just a huge coincidence that their turnaround happened directly after that. Convenient timing. Just like 90% of all the other teams that experience that same bump. Pure happenstance, Andrew!

 

[Deport Ogie]

Well obviously whatever schlub they fired was unequivocally NOT Michael G. for Goddamn Sullivan.

 

[SEALBound]

I mean... there are two big things that separate Washington and Pittsburgh in regards to where they are currently... drafting and development and THAT team's ownership and GM being willing to do what it takes to win up to and including *gasp* firing a coach they deemed ineffectual and contrary to their goals.

One of the things that I always say about the 2016 team is what a big deal it was to have Dupuis retire. That opened up a roster spot that was vital.

For the Caps, Oshie and Backstrom both going on LTIRetire and Carolina willing to take Kuzy was a big part of them being able to retool their roster as well.

There was also a period of time around 2020 to 2024 where, while they were still a good team, I'm not convinced they thought they were true contenders. At least not based on their trades. We, however, continued to push. So I think the overall earlier regression of their core players helped their retool get a year or two ahead of ours. With that, they were putting the players around Ovie to help him with the goal scoring record no doubt, not unlike us wanting to get Sid to the playoffs one more time.

But yeah, drafting and development...I gotta hand it to them, they're picks turned out great. Their 2019 draft was solid getting McMichael and Protas. We on the other hand get Poulin, Legare, and Puustinen. Just goes to show what a crap shoot the draft can be. To put us on their level, we need the likes of Ilyin, Broz, Pickering, and Pie to turn into NHL players in relatively quick fashion. Don't have to be all-stars but regular roster players.

 

[fcfury]

Someone had mentioned it earlier but Wendy's baked potatoes are pretty good

 

[Gurglesons]

Any assesment of Washington's rebuild w/o refrencing the 20M in free cap space they got last summer, along with not having to play two of their old farts, isn't worth reading.

If they still had Backstrom and Oshie giving them Malkin/Hayes like seasons and Kuzy's 4M retained cap penalty, no way do they look anything like they are right now.

The Penguins had 10.920 million going into last offseason with the below roster. Dubas chose to spend the available cap on Ned, Gryz, Beauvillier, Kevin Hayes, Cody Glass, and Blake Lizottte.

 

[Gurglesons]

Washington was pretty much a full rebuild. They have like 3 players left from the cup.

They lucked out getting 16 million in capspace a year early to bring in players like dubios and chycrun last summer.

Dubas is not lying either. He is rebuilding and being obvious about it. He just is saying he won't tear it down. Which he isn't doing. I don't get acting like he is saying something different than what he is doing.

The Caps have missed the playoffs twice since 06-07. Not sure in what world that is a "full rebuild", but whatever.

 

[Sidgeni Malkby]

It's a sad day when many of us are looking up at the Caps :/

As for the EK discussion....
At least we should be happy that we aren't a cash strapped stingy ownered team...otherwise, we would trade EK for peanuts just to get away from the bonus he is due.

 

[SEALBound]

The Penguins had 10.920 million going into last offseason with the below roster. Dubas chose to spend the available cap on Ned, Gryz, Beauvillier, Kevin Hayes, Cody Glass, and Blake Lizottte.

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That team is absolute trash. That is worse than the 23-24 team that also missed the playoffs. There were no players available for $11mil total that fills out that roster and makes them a playoff team.

The Caps have missed the playoffs twice since 06-07. Not sure in what world that is a "full rebuild", but whatever.

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As Dubas said yesterday, there's a difference between being a playoff team and be a legit cup contender. Whil they made the playoffs in 20-21, 21-22, and 23-24, they were not legit cup contenders. You don't trade dmen like Orlov or send out Kuzy if you're gearing up for a deep run.

Like I said earlier, they backed off on their push from 2020-2024. We didn't. They were able to retool a bit on the fly. We weren't willing to give up the pieces we thought we needed to make the playoffs, however, we did that this year - Petts, DOC, Reilly last off-season, etc. We are basically at the Caps 22-23 season point right now except we don't have three core players going to LTIRetired.

 

[Gurglesons]

That team is absolute trash. That is worse than the 23-24 team that also missed the playoffs. There were no players available for $11mil total that fills out that roster and makes them a playoff team.

As Dubas said yesterday, there's a difference between being a playoff team and be a legit cup contender. Whil they made the playoffs in 20-21, 21-22, and 23-24, they were not legit cup contenders. You don't trade dmen like Orlov or send out Kuzy if you're gearing up for a deep run.

Like I said earlier, they backed off on their push from 2020-2024. We didn't. They were able to retool a bit on the fly. We weren't willing to give up the pieces we thought we needed to make the playoffs, however, we did that this year - Petts, DOC, Reilly last off-season, etc. We are basically at the Caps 22-23 season point right now except we don't have three core players going to LTIRetired.

So it wasn't a full rebuild. Thanks!

 

[KrisLetAngry]

That team is absolute trash. That is worse than the 23-24 team that also missed the playoffs. There were no players available for $11mil total that fills out that roster and makes them a playoff team.

As Dubas said yesterday, there's a difference between being a playoff team and be a legit cup contender. Whil they made the playoffs in 20-21, 21-22, and 23-24, they were not legit cup contenders. You don't trade dmen like Orlov or send out Kuzy if you're gearing up for a deep run.

Like I said earlier, they backed off on their push from 2020-2024. We didn't. They were able to retool a bit on the fly. We weren't willing to give up the pieces we thought we needed to make the playoffs, however, we did that this year - Petts, DOC, Reilly last off-season, etc. We are basically at the Caps 22-23 season point right now except we don't have three core players going to LTIRetired.

Yep. That's one take away I got from Dubas.

Making the playoffs isn't the goal it's being a contender.

I think we are unfortunately years away from that. I think Dubas has us moving in the right direction though. Just needs to clear up spots for the talent to fight for now.

Caps last year was the worst team in the playoffs. I don't see them as contenders this year either but should beat Montreal at least.