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Mildly optimistic after that presser. They just gotta hit on and aptly develop their high draft picks.
 
Jared Grayden said:
I don't believe Dubas could fire Sullivan even if he wanted to. FSG won't allow it. Which is what Seravelli has said multiple times.
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It’s honestly hard for me to believe that after all the ‘Dubas doesn’t have full control in Toronto’ stuff that he wouldn’t have full control here. That he wouldn’t have taken this job unless he was given assurances he would have full control.

FSG doesn’t want to fire Sullivan but I think if Dubas went to them and said “hey I believe this is necessary and here is why…”, they would let Dubas fire him.
 
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Epic Neal Time said:
My interpretation of that presser:


  • Karlsson is as good as gone, Dubas seemed to insinuate he is too complacent.
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Funny how people (Pens org) is ripping EK, yet he's the only one openly saying "I want to win badly"
Also interesting that Eller was essentially saying the same stuff and was traded too.

So is the message to other players "you don't want to win TOO much or else you'll have expectations"? This organization is too complacent, just like the Steelers.
 
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Buddy Bizarre said:
Funny how people (Pens org) is ripping EK, yet he's the only one openly saying "I want to win badly"
Also interesting that Eller was essentially saying the same stuff and was traded too.

So is the message to other players "you don't want to win TOO much or else you'll have expectations"? This organization is too complacent, just like the Steelers.
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Dubas did touch on this in his presser. He said the fact everyone’s in love with it here and wants to stay is indicative of complacency given their failures the past 3 years.
 
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Buddy Bizarre said:
Funny how people (Pens org) is ripping EK, yet he's the only one openly saying "I want to win badly"
Also interesting that Eller was essentially saying the same stuff and was traded too.

So is the message to other players "you don't want to win TOO much or else you'll have expectations"? This organization is too complacent, just like the Steelers.
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I think Dubas is miffed because Karlsson went from 100 points to 50 points in B2B seasons and it’s obvious now that his desire to be traded from San Jose exceeded his motivation to win in Pittsburgh despite his lip service. And I say this as a fan of his and acknowledging that he’s basically the only decent player on that defense.

He also didn’t translate his 4 nations showing to the Pens either. Some of it may be coaching but the Pens literally brought in the coach he got 100 points with. I would be pretty pissed if I was KD too.
 
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CheckingLineCenter said:
He’s right about not fully tearing things down to studs IMO but why move EK and not Rust/Rakell?

You can get better return for one of the wingers, and they’re easier to replace.

I guess time will tell.
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I don't know about Rakell, but I think a big difference between Karlsson and Rust is that Rust actually wants to be here.
 
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Buddy Bizarre said:
Funny how people (Pens org) is ripping EK, yet he's the only one openly saying "I want to win badly"
Also interesting that Eller was essentially saying the same stuff and was traded too.

So is the message to other players "you don't want to win TOO much or else you'll have expectations"? This organization is too complacent, just like the Steelers.
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Probably because he’s having long stretches of playing like shit and they can see his preparation/focus isn’t where it needs to be if he wants to win.

Hence why Dubas said “the preparation needs to match the ambition” about Karlsson.
 
eXile3 said:
That doesn’t make sense? If the caps going up they will be able to afford them?
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UFA prices will skyrocket with the increase in cap and that will push out some young guys from contending teams. Just like Bourque on the Stars being pushed out by the Rantanen deal.

The Penguins have a ton of money to give those young guys, which is how they'll most likely be spending their money. Think guys like Byram from Buffalo and Bourque from Dallas as the kind of guys they'll target.
 
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I think Kyle is also using smokescreen here. Remember when he said how Luke Schen was gonna be here and help mentor other young defensemen? He talked him up big time, but then moved him. Likely knew he really didnt want to play for a team hopelessly out of it. Got a 2hd and an evil 4th for it also.

I seriously doubt Rust is moved but Rakell, not so sure. He even said he'd listen on either player.
 
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My updated lineup prediction for next year based on that press conference:

Koivunen-Crosby-Rust
McGroarty-Malkin-Rakell
Bourque-Novak-Tomasino
Dewar-Lizotte-Acciari
Ponomarev-Heinen

Orlov-Letang
Byram-Ceci
Shea-Timmins
Graves

Jarry-Nedjelkovic

Sent Karlsson out, brought Byram in, added a young RFA like Bourque for the 3rd line and pushed Blomqvist and Pickering to the AHL.
 
Turin said:
I think Dubas is miffed because Karlsson went from 100 points to 50 points in B2B seasons and it’s obvious now that his desire to be traded from San Jose exceeded his motivation to win in Pittsburgh despite his lip service. And I say this as a fan of his and acknowledging that he’s basically the only decent player on that defense.

He also didn’t translate his 4 nations showing to the Pens either. Some of it may be coaching but the Pens literally brought in the coach he got 100 points with. I would be pretty pissed if I was KD too.
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With very few exceptions, every single player that comes here under Sullivan is all of a sudden worse as a player. Why is that? I hope they trade EK and he immediately puts up 90+ points
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
How is he turning around and blaming others? He specifically said it's his responsibility to address the complacency in the organization if it is an issue.
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He told the coach that he doesn’t need to worry about his job no matter how bad he is. He brought in most of the players that are awful.

You can’t say I’m responsible for this and then continue to do it.

Dudes a snake oil salesman and some people refuse to see it.
 
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eXile3 said:
He told the coach that he doesn’t need to worry about his job no matter how bad he is. He brought in most of the players that are awful.

You can’t say I’m responsible for this and then continue to do it.

Dudes a snake oil salesman and some people refuse to see it.
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Your argument is completely incoherent. It's basically "Dubas has made bad moves so he's responsible for the complacency of the team".

He literally said it's his job to correct it if it is a problem. Saying "he brought in some bad players!" has literally nothing to do with the complacency on the team.
 
eXile3 said:
What? He’s supposed to GM. He’s responsible for the complacency and then turns around and blames others.
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I understand what you're saying, but it's possible KD is handcuffed by what Sully is preaching and he doesn't agree with Sully's message.

Sully should be under the microscope bc he's been here the longest outside of Sid/Geno/etc and he is the one who created that culture. If the same stuff is happening 2-3 years from now, then yes KD deserves a significant amount of blame. But not yet.
 
Empoleon8771 said:
Your argument is completely incoherent. It's basically "Dubas has made bad moves so he's responsible for the complacency of the team".

He literally said it's his job to correct it if it is a problem. Saying "he brought in some bad players!" has literally nothing to do with the complacency on the team.
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No you’re right. It’s not his fault he gave the coach infinite job security. Definitely not his fault for trading Eller when he called them out on it.

Kyle Dubas is a mastermind and we’re all too dumb to see it. You can clearly see from his well outlined planned of rebuilding/retooling/urgently/competing/not competing.
 
eXile3 said:
No you’re right. It’s not his fault he gave the coach infinite job security. Definitely not his fault for trading Eller when he called them out on it.

Kyle Dubas is a mastermind and we’re all too dumb to see it. You can clearly see from his well outlined planned of rebuilding/retooling/urgently/competing/not competing.
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It sounds like you just don't like Dubas so you're making up another thing to complain about with him.

He literally said that he's responsible for the complacency in the organization if it is a problem. You're trying to make that as if he's blaming others because you want something else to complain about him.
 
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eXile3 said:
No you’re right. It’s not his fault he gave the coach infinite job security. Definitely not his fault for trading Eller when he called them out on it.

Kyle Dubas is a mastermind and we’re all too dumb to see it. You can clearly see from his well outlined planned of rebuilding/retooling/urgently/competing/not competing.
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He didn’t give Sullivan that contract and are you suggesting the Pens traded Eller because of his comments? The Pens traded Eller because Washington payed what the Pens were asking for. And he’s been kind of bad for Washington so how was that anything but a W
 
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