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Toronto would have to decide on whether to sign Tavares or Knies. Toronto is signing Marner, and Knies isn't getting some over the top 2nd deal. Like I could see 4.0/6.0 X4/5.
 
Yeah, dead cap doesn't matter for the foreseeable future imo. Dubas (and probably FSG) seems to hate the idea of buyouts and retaining money but all that matters is value.

If retaining EK is the only way to get *any* value for the guy, it should be done. If retaining on a potential Rakell or Rust trade gets you even more value for guys I expect to be highly sought after, it should be done (clarification; Dubas doesn't have to retain on Rakell or Rust, but if it bumps the return up that much more, so be it).
 
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Unless you think a new coach can cause Karlsson to have a significant jump in value, I don't think there is an argument to keep Karlsson at this point.

I'm just ready to move on. Even if Karlsson would be better under a new coach, I don't think you're getting dramatically better value in the future than what you'd be getting right now. Plus trading Karlsson right now gives you the chance to play someone else in his spot to pump up their value.
 
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SomeDude said:
Part of me is intrigued to see EK under a coach that isn’t Mike Sullivan. It seems like he realized how much of an idiot he was as soon as he got here and just mentally checked out.

A much larger part of me just wants him gone. I don’t see why eating dead cap for 3 years should prohibit that. I do not see how this team will be in a position to really need that space in 3 years.
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For me it was his answer that time they asked him about why the Pens were so bad at 3 on 3.
 
I have confidence in exactly one player on the whole team to be worth a shit. Literally everyone else can get traded for whatever and I won't even blink at this point.
 
SomeDude said:
Yea, early on it seemed like he was going to snap and call out the coaching staff. Either self control set in or someone got in his ear. I was rooting for chaos.
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Yeah I was really counting on it too and it really looked like we were getting there but I assume someone told him to just sit tight and STFU and they'll get him the f*** outta here ASAP. Which is a good deal for him.
 
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What would really be funny is Knies comes here and becomes a 20-20 guy without Marner and Matthews - and makes 9 mil.

and the Leafs get McKenna with our pick.
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:laugh: Fair. I didn't realize you'd have to part with a 1st rounder for going over $4.6M AAV. Thought it was higher than that.

Anything involving this team's 1st round picks for the next like, five years, should be off the table. Things are bad now, but they're gonna get *bad* the second age catches up to Sid and way worse when he retires.
 
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IcedCapp said:
So you say, but that's... your opinion...

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Deport Ogie said:
We're so accustomed to thinking of things the Sully way that it doesn't even occur to us that if a young player earns his spot, he may actually GET it ahead of an older option. Or at least get representative time to see what we have.
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Big Friggin Dummy said:
If Brunicke's one of the six best, he should make the team. I wouldn't add him to the roster simply because he's a guy the organization's high on. Probably not gonna be getting much out of developing with this team outside of learning how to train and prepare like a pro and maybe getting some mentoring from a guy like Letang or something.
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I just want to be clear. If Brunicke shows up and does not perform and we chose not to sign Timmins. What type of last minute replacement is going to be there.

We have the cap space. Timmins being a RD makes him valuable. You telling me the Kings wouldn't take Timmins so he could play 10 minutes a night for them.

I have doubts on young D coming in when they are Junior age. I had doubts about Maatta but he proved me wrong.
I really would not care if Timmins sat in the press box while Brunicke was playing.


Empoleon8771 said:
They can still get Knies with an offersheet this off-season if they still really want him. That would require the Leafs to re-sign Marner, but it's totally possible.

Sending Rakell out and bringing in Knies would be a really nice move for Dubas to make.
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It's all going to come down to there off season. Does Tavares take a low offer to help them. Does Knies take a mini Bridge (think Petterson for us 5 years ago to help us on that cap crunch) reminder he was not worth 4 million after that atrocious year he had. Still got it.

Does Marner take 12 to 12.5 like Rantanen or wants his 14.


Will be really interesting.
 
If Rantanen is getting $12 million in Dallas, I think Marner is costing $14 million or more for Toronto to keep him. The tax difference alone means Marner would have to take more to get the same contract.

I think he'd sign with the Penguins for $13 million, but I'm really skeptical that Dubas would make the moves needed to make that deal make sense. As in sign Marner while still selling players and trying to rebuild.
 
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well that sucks.
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And instead, we get Sam Poulin. Thus, the draft is a crapshoot. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.
SomeDude said:
Part of me is intrigued to see EK under a coach that isn’t Mike Sullivan. It seems like he realized how much of an idiot he was as soon as he got here and just mentally checked out.

A much larger part of me just wants him gone. I don’t see why eating dead cap for 3 years should prohibit that. I do not see how this team will be in a position to really need that space in 3 years.
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I get the intrigue there. I think the same can apply to nearly player that we don't think we are getting maximum value out of. But at the same time, when it comes to EK, I don't think it's purely a Sullivan issue. A lot of the bonehead plays guys like Letang and EK make are on them, not so much coaching. I don't know how much "convincing" a new coach can do to suddenly change EK's dedication to defense in the dzone, ya know?

I think "fixing" him is two fold: 1. You get him a good partner. Like I think Slavin-Karlsson would make some absolutely beautiful music together. 2. You adjust your system around him, not adjust him to the system. Easier said than done and there's a value judgement to be made this late in his career. Honestly, it's 51% EK himself, 24.5% Sullivan/Team/System, and 24.5% Dubas/GM.

Personally, I have no interest in seeing EK with a new coach but if he's around next year, whatever. I hope it gets better but I'm pretty "whatever" about it. I'd rather trade him and get the assets
 
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SEALBound said:
And instead, we get Sam Poulin. Thus, the draft is a crapshoot. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.

I get the intrigue there. I think the same can apply to nearly player that we don't think we are getting maximum value out of. But at the same time, when it comes to EK, I don't think it's purely a Sullivan issue. A lot of the bonehead plays guys like Letang and EK make are on them, not so much coaching. I don't know how much "convincing" a new coach can do to suddenly change EK's dedication to defense in the dzone, ya know?

I think "fixing" him is two fold: 1. You get him a good partner. Like I think Slavin-Karlsson would make some absolutely beautiful music together. 2. You adjust your system around him, not adjust him to the system. Easier said than done and there's a value judgement to be made this late in his career. Honestly, it's 51% EK himself, 24.5% Sullivan/Team/System, and 24.5% Dubas/GM.

Personally, I have no interest in seeing EK with a new coach but if he's around next year, whatever. I hope it gets better but I'm pretty "whatever" about it. I'd rather trade him and get the assets
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There is no fixing his defense, which is a big problem why he couldn’t work under Sully.

Every other coach that has had EK accepts he is a defensive liability, but his offensive capabilities make him a net positive for the team.

Sully was not capable of accepting the fact that Karlsson needs to be utilized in a way that fits him
and that the player would not fit into his amazingly flawless system.

That isn’t to say Karlsson is blameless. I am very sick of seeing him out there and hope someone will take him off our hands, but I think his value could be increased under a coach who doesn’t expect everyone to play like Bryan Rust.
 
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