Salary Cap: 24-25 Salary Thread Crosbicles Volume MXIIX: Rust out, Marner in, all part of the plan!

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

If Rossi is seriously going to cost more than a 15th overall AND a player to acquire then I certainly don't want him.

 

[chethejet]

There is a place for skill on the smaller side. But still 5-9 center just doesn't fit the top 6 center with size and especially RH shot that Pens simply don't have. Broz to me can be that caliber of player who is much bigger and plays a far more physical game. Draft a RH shot center and if Ranger give up the pick either another RW or LD preferably Aitcheson. Retool with assets next 3 years draft and trades.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

And it's not like Rutherford needs much of a reason to make a trade....

On top of all of that, can't imagine Pettersson's gonna be stoked to hang around with the rest of the team dismantled around him. Hughes is definitely gone asap, by the sounds of things in pressers and rumor mills.

 

[pistolpete11]

If Rossi is seriously going to cost more than a 15th overall AND a player to acquire then I certainly don't want him.

Yeah, that is a desperate win now move because nobody else is available.

He makes sense as a target for the Pens, but not at that price.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

So from how I'm reading the breakdown... the Jets will be paying Toews close to 5M if he can manage 60 games? After not playing any hockey for years?

lol OK

 

[Empoleon8771]

I feel like the shitty UFA market may drive trade prices way up, simply because of the lack of alternatives. Which makes me think that the Penguins should be trying to sell as much as possible and just hold onto those assets for young NHLers when prices come down.

Just try to acquire a young player in the Rakell, Rust and Karlsson deals or look for cheaper guys that you could get.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

I feel like the shitty UFA market may drive trade prices way up, simply because of the lack of alternatives.

Means you don’t make a deal at the draft tho and wait until after July 1

Might be getting too cute

 

[Empoleon8771]

Means you don’t make a deal at the draft tho and wait until after July 1

Might be getting too cute

Really depends on what is being offered. If I'm getting offered a package like Quinn/Spence and a 2025 1st for Rakell or Rust, I pull the trigger on that even if you could possibly get more by waiting until some UFAs sign.

It's hard to say definitively without knowing what will be offered, but I think a Rakell draft trade and a Karlsson July trade is what I'm hoping for.

 

[Gurglesons]

Well I think the relationship between Pettersson and the organization itself is shattered. They dragged both of the guys through the mud publicly and JR said there's no guarantee he won't move Pettersson. Probably a situation where it's best to part ways for a fresh start kinda thing tbh.

"With Petey, he didn't have a good off-season. Now, he was dealing with a couple of physical things where he didn't feel he couldn't work as hard as he normally would, and he's learned from that. It bit him this year, he had an off season, and he didn't have the strength and the preparation. Rutherford said.

He added, "He stayed in town a week to 10 days before he left town after our last game, and he was in here working out almost every day, so it was a very encouraging sign.

I do feel his injuries are behind him, so that's not going to be an excuse for the off-season. And if he has a good off-season, there's no doubt that he's going to bounce back to being the player that he's capable of being."

This was the last thing that he said regarding EP40.

I think they'll be fine.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

In a market where Rossi costs a top half first rounder+ this team should aspire to be the voice of reason.

Just... not TOO reasonable...

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

JR is a lot of things but I don’t get sense he is uber vindictive (unless you are Rob Rossi)

while he’s pretty reactive I can also see him getting over it re: EP40 if he feels confident Pettersson comes back ready to play.

 

[Andy P]

Really depends on what is being offered. If I'm getting offered a package like Quinn/Spence and a 2025 1st for Rakell or Rust, I pull the trigger on that even if you could possibly get more by waiting until some UFAs sign.

It's hard to say definitively without knowing what will be offered, but I think a Rakell draft trade and a Karlsson July trade is what I'm hoping for.

Another domino could be once these teams start overpaying for players in the first couple days of free agency, other teams may see that and want to hurry and pay a premium to get REAL value like Rakell/Rust. I think either way, Dubas will walk away with some decent futures and can sign other players to flip at next years deadline. Pretty much what he did this past year

 

[chethejet]

Yep no question the normal off-season inventory is low and will become almost nothing as the cap gives teams the ability to sign their own players. Dubas has to know how much value going forward Rust, Rakell even Karlsson with some modest retention have now. Jarry played better and the contract is not bad if he can play at that level of the last part of the season. Graves hopefully with new staff can play to his strengths and not ask him to be a puck carrier and play up in the zone.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Rust and Rakell probably get you mid-to-late 1sts and a decent prospect each. EK, with a good amount of retention, might snag you another 1st, but it'll be a late one cuz he is absolutely only looking to go to a place that can contend.

Pretty important summer for this team's future, imo. They're not gonna land anybody that you use as a foundational piece to build upon or anything, but this draft, summer, and next TDL could set up a really solid supporting cast. Ideally you get some guys who are established and hitting their stride if/when this team starts to land those top 3, core players.

 

[SEALBound]

If Rossi is seriously going to cost more than a 15th overall AND a player to acquire then I certainly don't want him.

I'm betting the "player" was someone like Hoglander where Minny is taking on cap for a not so great player where there is a risk. I don't think it's the equiv of Rust/Rakell + 15ov for Rossi. Part of the 15ov value is them being able to "dump" a roster player. With Minnesota wanting to compete, can't see much utility in that.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Interesting name I saw as a buyout candidate, Mattias Samuelsson on the Sabres seems to be on the move and will be bought out if they can’t facilitate a trade. I’d definitely try to sign him if the Sabres buy him out, he’s still young and is a LD this team desperately needs.

I’d be pretty good with signing Samuelsson and trading for Leddy to help put the LD group. Even if you don’t trade EK, run with:

Leddy-Letang
Samuelsson-Karlsson
Graves-Timmins

 

[Ryder71]

I'm betting the "player" was someone like Hoglander where Minny is taking on cap for a not so great player where there is a risk. I don't think it's the equiv of Rust/Rakell + 15ov for Rossi. Part of the 15ov value is them being able to "dump" a roster player. With Minnesota wanting to compete, can't see much utility in that.

What would YOU give up for Rossi?

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

I'm betting the "player" was someone like Hoglander where Minny is taking on cap for a not so great player where there is a risk. I don't think it's the equiv of Rust/Rakell + 15ov for Rossi. Part of the 15ov value is them being able to "dump" a roster player. With Minnesota wanting to compete, can't see much utility in that.

For whatever reason GMs this offseason look like they are going to have some funny notions re: value.

A good time to stay out of it and/or be sellers.

 

[SEALBound]

If I'm Dubas, I'm saving Rakell (and maybe Rust) for July 2-5th or so. Those big ticket UFAs will get signed or at least get down to a point where teams will know if they are in or out. Then after they miss, you circle back to Rakell and potentially Rust. UNLESS a team wants to get ahead of it and overpay due to FOMO.

Like seriously, that top 6 wing market is BLEAK. You have Marner, Ehlers, and Boeser. Then the next 2nd/3rd tier guys of Suter, Dadonov, Kuzmenko, etc all of whom I assume are going to get multi-year deals around what Rakell and Rust make while providing half the production.

The market will be there.

 

[Ryder71]

If I'm Dubas, I'm saving Rakell (and maybe Rust) for July 2-5th or so. Those big ticket UFAs will get signed or at least get down to a point where teams will know if they are in or out. Then after they miss, you circle back to Rakell and potentially Rust. UNLESS a team wants to get ahead of it and overpay due to FOMO.

Like seriously, that top 6 wing market is BLEAK. You have Marner, Ehlers, and Boeser. Then the next 2nd/3rd tier guys of Suter, Dadonov, Kuzmenko, etc all of whom I assume are going to get multi-year deals around what Rakell and Rust make while providing half the production.

The market will be there.

What return would you anticipate. Because last year it was Clarke, a 1st and Moore for Rakell. Think we'll top that buddy boy?

 

[Empoleon8771]

I don’t know that they’d do this over buying him out, but it would be a smart move to see if Buffalo would be willing to add to Samuelsson to move him with using some of their young forwards. Quinn would be the best case scenario, but even something like Timmins for Samuelsson and Rosen feels like it could be a really smart move.

 

[SEALBound]

What would YOU give up for Rossi?

I don't know, honestly. If we could trade the 12 to Montreal for 16+2nd, I would be willing to do 16ov for him, provided we can also send out someone like Acciari but it doesn't seem like Minny wants that. I would want to see other offers for Rakell and Rust before I committed one of them but if the deal came out as Rust for Rossi straight up...I don't think I would be that upset.

What return would you anticipate. Because last year it was Clarke, a 1st and Moore for Rakell. Think we'll top that buddy boy?

Dude, there's no need to sling shade. At one point or another, we've all overvalued players. That's assuming what you say there was me and it's true. I have no idea. But the value was reportedly at something like 2 1sts. A 1st is a 1st, Clarke is worth a first, and LA would have needed to move salary so Moore makes sense. If LA was that desperate and we include something to even it out, it's not THAT outrageous. Or maybe it is. This is HF after all.

 

[Khelandros]

Read somewhere that Marner was going to wait until middle to end of July to decide where he wants to sign. That will throw a wrench into alot of teams plans.

edit: found it. Report: Mitch Marner’s free agency decision may take until middle of July

 

[SEALBound]

Read somewhere that Marner was going to wait until middle to end of July to decide where he wants to sign. That will throw a wrench into alot of teams plans.

I assume by then the offers will be on the table and teams will know if they are in and out. I assume his agent pushes him to decide between 2-3 teams.

Others will move on.

 

[T1K]

Read somewhere that Marner was going to wait until middle to end of July to decide where he wants to sign. That will throw a wrench into alot of teams plans.

He’ll leave millions on the table if he does that