Salary Cap: 24-25 Salary Thread Crosbicles Volume MXIIX: Rust out, Marner in, all part of the plan!

[Buddy Bizarre]

For all you Erik Karlsson trade fans, Seravalli says a few teams have inquired so far, while a few others are thinking about him internally (whatever the hell that means). Apparently, teams absolutely need retention. And of course, nobody has asked Karlsson for his thoughts.

I still believe the best course of action is to sit tight here and hope for an offensive rebound under a new coach and system.

People need to view players as stocks.

Rust/Rak had great seasons...their stock is at it's zenith and likely not to be matched again. This is when you sell.
EK had a couple not so great seasons- his stock is likely at it's lowest. Add his NTC and it sinks further. So why would you sell now when it's entirely possible a new coaching regime could augment his game/stats?

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Because 1.7 would be silly?

Ah, I see why now. McDavid was at 1.52 PPG when I made them.

updated with maximums:

 

[Deport Ogie]

Bowen Byram is no protection against a Quinn Hughes departure lol wtf

I'm going to need to see a side-by-side of Byram and Luke Hughes. Like, is Grandpa Jim planning to acquire him and make him cosplay as Luke to trick Quinn into staying?

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

That would actually take away a roster player from them. I think it would have to be like Kane and Savoie for Heinen, Lizotte, and Hayes

I mean I'd take draft picks as well.
But I think Edm is going to be super horny for a shakeup to their goalie room and Jarry is the obvious guy. Not because I think he's any good, but because he's different from what they have.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Not because I think he's any good, but because he's different from what they have.

Modern NHL goaltending in a nutshell lol

 

[JackFr]

People need to view players as stocks.

Rust/Rak had great seasons...their stock is at it's zenith and likely not to be matched again. This is when you sell.
EK had a couple not so great seasons- his stock is likely at it's lowest. Add his NTC and it sinks further. So why would you sell now when it's entirely possible a new coaching regime could augment his game/stats?

Few reasons

1. Don't want to risk him getting hurt or declining
2. Don't want to risk him making us better this year (which I think he would since he's a good player)
3. Think this offseason might actually be a good time to sell him as opposed to in-season
4. Think his 4 Nations performance + the Norris just a few years ago will help his stock
5. It seems like the organization isn't too high on him at the moment so don't want them keeping him around if they actually think he's harming the culture

 

[AuroraBorealis]

I'm going to need to see a side-by-side of Byram and Luke Hughes. Like, is Grandpa Jim planning to acquire him and make him cosplay as Luke to trick Quinn into staying?

Nah, they know they can't replace Hughes in free agency or trade. Not when he's making only 7.8M.
I just found Kypreos' wording funny.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Looking around for some cap dump opportunities, I think Leddy from St. Louis makes a lot of sense as a target. He’s kinda ass and has been pushed out of St. Louis’s top-4 for Broberg and Fowler, while he only has 1 year left at $4 million. I figure you can either get paid to take him on or get him for effectively nothing, which feels the same as signing a UFA defenseman to a 1 year deal.

He’s a pretty logical Grzelcyk replacement and at least gives them a guy who can eat minutes at LD. Ideally you get paid like a 3rd or 4th to take him on, but even if he costs a late round pick, it’s probably worth doing. I actually like Gurg’s suggestion of Acciari and a 5th for Leddy, I think he suggested that a while ago. It’s just that can’t be their only LD move.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

You're not going to trade EK to anybody but a contender, so best case scenario is that the pick's probably gonna be a late 1st anyway. I don't think risking injury or decline to try and eek out a tiny bit more value makes a lot of sense. Also, like @JackFr said, it's partly to make this team worse on the ice. That's important.

 

[JackFr]

Looking around for some cap dump opportunities, I think Leddy from St. Louis makes a lot of sense as a target. He’s kinda ass and has been pushed out of St. Louis’s top-4 for Broberg and Fowler, while he only has 1 year left at $4 million. I figure you can either get paid to take him on or get him for effectively nothing, which feels the same as signing a UFA defenseman to a 1 year deal.

He’s a pretty logical Grzelcyk replacement and at least gives them a guy who can eat minutes at LD. Ideally you get paid like a 3rd or 4th to take him on, but even if he costs a late round pick, it’s probably worth doing. I actually like Gurg’s suggestion of Acciari and a 5th for Leddy, I think he suggested that a while ago. It’s just that can’t be their only LD move.

Leddy is basically an older Grzelcyk so it checks out

 

[Empoleon8771]

If you want to go full tank mode, go nuclear on the defense with something like:

EK trade-Letang
Leddy-Lybushkin
Graves-Timmins

Get paid to take on Lybushkin and Leddy and send out Karlsson for a LD and futures. I think you can reasonably get Bourque for nothing if you take back Lybushkin’s deal. It’s possible you can do that with Dumba too.

Leddy is basically an older Grzelcyk so it checks out

Yeah and I’d rather trade nothing for Leddy on a 1 year deal than re-sign Grzelcyk to the likely 2-4 year deal he’s going to get in UFA this year.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

If you want to go full tank mode, go nuclear on the defense with something like:

EK trade-Letang
Leddy-Lybushkin
Graves-Timmins

Get paid to take on Lybushkin and Leddy and send out Karlsson for a LD and futures. I think you can reasonably get Bourque for nothing if you take back Lybushkin’s deal. It’s possible you can do that with Dumba too.



Yeah and I’d rather trade nothing for Leddy on a 1 year deal than re-sign Grzelcyk to the likely 2-4 year deal he’s going to get in UFA this year.

Now we're cookin' brother.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I also wonder if the Penguins can basically solve Dallas’s cap problems entirely by agreeing to take on both Dumba and Lybushkin, with offering Timmins to Dallas as a cheaper replacement for this year. I’d demand a lot to be added there, but it doesn’t really matter how shitty the Penguins defense is and taking back bad deals would let them get more value for their players.

I wonder if Timmins for Lybushkin, Dumba and Marchment would work for Dallas. Losing Marchment sucks because he definitely has value, but Dallas is clearing $11.5 million in cap while giving them a decent bottom pair RD replacement. The Penguins can either flip Marchment immediately for more futures or hold onto him until the deadline and sell him as a rental.

The Penguins defense would be ghastly bad, especially if you add in adding Leddy for nothing, but the point is more about getting guys who can play NHL minutes so you don’t have to rush the young guys.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Now we're cookin' brother.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

If you want to go full tank mode, go nuclear on the defense with something like:

EK trade-Letang
Leddy-Lybushkin
Graves-Timmins

Get paid to take on Lybushkin and Leddy and send out Karlsson for a LD and futures. I think you can reasonably get Bourque for nothing if you take back Lybushkin’s deal. It’s possible you can do that with Dumba too.

AND on top of all that... somehow that's like 18ish million dollars between just four of those players so that can help you hit the cap floor. If that EK trade target is nice and expensive to go along with terrible you are talking about a shitty AND expensive defense!

Which uh... come to think of we're already used to.

My only regret is that they can't just clone Graves and his contract and stick him in there, too. What's JJ up to? Convince Sid that his buddy needs another payday. A truly miserable defense to go along with this team's abhorrent goaltending seems like a more or less guaranteed outcome.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

Seems like ol' Jimbo might be doin' some wheelin' and dealin' here. Especially if he thinks Quinn Hughes is gonna jet to Jersey the second he can in order to play with Jack and Luke. And just based on the vibe and discussions, I imagine the Canucks think that's the likely outcome.

I mean, maybe. But if you already know this, why in the world would you hire Adam Foote as head coach then???

Muse seems more concerned about playing solid positional defense, that doesn't fit EK's game at all (MR. Freelance). If the value is there you absolutely move him. He won't be here by the time we're good again anyhow.

Possibly. But I mean, could a more structured, positional defense actually lead to LESS offense from EK65 than what we have seen in the first two years? I mean, is that even possible???

 

[Empoleon8771]

AND on top of all that... somehow that's like 18ish million dollars between just four of those players so that can help you hit the cap floor. If that EK trade target is nice and expensive to go along with terrible you are talking about a shitty AND expensive defense!

Which uh... come to think of we're already used to.

My only regret is that they can't just clone Graves and his contract and stick him in there, too. What's JJ up to? Convince Sid that his buddy needs another payday. A truly miserable defense to go along with this team's abhorrent goaltending seems like a more or less guaranteed outcome.

Leddy-Letang
Gostisbehere-Lybushkin
Graves-Dumba
Shea

I think this is the worst possible defense you can make for this year, but making this defense would also come with likely getting significant value from other teams to take on their bad deals. Graves-Dumba would be an especially hilarious and terrible pair.

Dumba and Leddy only have 1 year left and Gostisbehere and Lybushkin have 2 years left, so none of them are long-term commitments. But still, it at least gives them actual NHL players (even if they’re bad ones) so you’re not asking Pickering to play 23 minutes a night because you don’t have anyone else.

 

[Freeptop]

For sure. Dubas has an extremely easy job this summer. Just depends on what he values as returns, and whether or not he takes the safe bet returns or tries to hold out and squeeze more value out of the deal(s). Hoping he doesn't get too cute and f*** things up.

It won't matter, no matter what Dubas does, these boards are going to end up with hundreds of pages of complaining about him. He could acquire McDavid for future considerations, and the comments would be: "way to use up so much cap space", and "that kills the tank!"

And Tristan. TWO Tristans.

I guess I didn't realize how dire the name situation on this team was.

That reminds me, I should really post my list of "hockey prospect or Star Wars character" names here. Let's just say it isn't a problem unique to the Pens

 

[Jag68Sid87]

I also wonder if the Penguins can basically solve Dallas’s cap problems entirely by agreeing to take on both Dumba and Lybushkin, with offering Timmins to Dallas as a cheaper replacement for this year. I’d demand a lot to be added there, but it doesn’t really matter how shitty the Penguins defense is and taking back bad deals would let them get more value for their players.

I wonder if Timmins for Lybushkin, Dumba and Marchment would work for Dallas. Losing Marchment sucks because he definitely has value, but Dallas is clearing $11.5 million in cap while giving them a decent bottom pair RD replacement. The Penguins can either flip Marchment immediately for more futures or hold onto him until the deadline and sell him as a rental.

The Penguins defense would be ghastly bad, especially if you add in adding Leddy for nothing, but the point is more about getting guys who can play NHL minutes so you don’t have to rush the young guys.

I don't know about all three of those guys because I don't think we get enough futures back. But Lyubushkin is not a player worthy of a buyout. He is exactly the type of vanilla defenseman who helps dynamic defensemen thrive next to him. Thomas Harley played really well next to Lyubushkin this season. He is probably overpaid but that is probably because he played for Toronto (twice).

Dumba is a non-starter for me. He absolutely is a player you buy out and I would not want to bail them out of that deal.

Marchment does nothing for me so I would flip him to the Leafs immediately for as many futures as possible.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Leddy-Letang
Gostisbehere-Lybushkin
Graves-Dumba
Shea

I think this is the worst possible defense you can make for this year, but making this defense would also come with likely getting significant value from other teams to take on their bad deals. Graves-Dumba would be an especially hilarious and terrible pair.

Oh my god it's so horrific it's swung all the way around to beautiful!

 

[Empoleon8771]

Oh my god it's so horrific it's swung all the way around to beautiful!

Unironically I’d want to see that Graves-Dumba pair just to be in awe of it. It would be worth seeing just from an entertainment perspective.

But hey, if you can get strong value back for Timmins by taking back Dumba, why wouldn’t you do it? Whether you have Timmins or Dumba on your 3rd pair means nothing in the long run, but getting some extra futures for making the swap could mean something.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

I don't think they hired Dan Muse to suddenly bring in shitty mid-30s defensemen. He is hear to teach. Let him teach.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Unironically I’d want to see that Graves-Dumba pair just to be in awe of it. It would be worth seeing just from an entertainment perspective.

But hey, if you can get strong value back for Timmins by taking back Dumba, why wouldn’t you do it? Whether you have Timmins or Dumba on your 3rd pair means nothing in the long run, but getting some extra futures for making the swap could mean something.

Watching a Graves and Dumba pairing would be like watching two drunk baby giraffes attempting to have a dance-off on a sheet of ice.

Absolutely incredible.

We'd have one of those "JJ just trying to get to the bench" Benny Hill moments like a dozen times a game. I would seriously watch just for that.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I don't think they hired Dan Muse to suddenly bring in shitty mid-30s defensemen. He is hear to teach. Let him teach.

The point of adding shitty mid-30s defensemen is to get paid to take them on, something like Timmins for Dumba and Bourque. Whether you have Timmins or Dumba on the 3rd pair means nothing in the long run, but Bourque could actually become something useful.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

The point is to be as bad as possible because there is nothing else to be at this point so you might as well benefit as much as you can from the pain.