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[CheckingLineCenter]

I'll grant that he was very good but Marchand on his line plus a 111 PDO and the highest on-ice shooting % of a postseason forward since at least 2007... I think he'll probably get some overrated after that

nah bro he was simply very good

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

WTF is a Trent Frederic and why is he potentially signing a contract worth 32M dollars?

 

[DesertPenguin]

They should all play center IMO. Novak as well. Crosby, new guy, Malkin, Novak. Start building up the depth up front.

I really don't want to see those 2 scoring lines, 2 checking lines nonsense anymore.

Put Malkin at wing. He's on his way out, would benefit from the reduced defensive responsibilities. Let him play with sid. But after that yes, run Crosby, New Guy, Novak, Broz at C 1-4.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Reaction bait youtubers need to be beaten with crowbars. A blight on society.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Reaction bait youtubers need to be beaten with crowbars. A blight on society.

I didn't look him up but lets see how close I am... he went to some country with extremely strict laws and did something like take a dump on a national monument and then acted like his rights were being violated when he was inevitably arrested.

 

[Empoleon8771]

For anyone thinking teams will be paying to dump deals this off-season, I think this pours some cold water on that idea. I know it’s Barry Trotz and he’s stupid, but Haula is a declining 34 year old making over $3 million a year. If a team is paying positive value for that, I don’t think there will be much of a market to get 2nds and 3rds for guys like Hayes and Glass.

That said, this also makes me feel like you can get something for Hayes and Acciari right now, even if it’s just a late round pick.

 

[Ulf5]

For anyone thinking teams will be paying to dump deals this off-season, I think this pours some cold water on that idea. I know it’s Barry Trotz and he’s stupid, but Haula is a declining 34 year old making over $3 million a year. If a team is paying positive value for that, I don’t think there will be much of a market to get 2nds and 3rds for guys like Hayes and Glass.

That said, this also makes me feel like you can get something for Hayes and Acciari right now, even if it’s just a late round pick.

WTF is Trotz even trying to accomplish?

 

[66-30-33]

Maybe we can flip Graves for a pick to Nashville?

 

[Andy99]

WTF is Trotz even trying to accomplish?

Some people like to hoard things, and Trotz likes to collect useless players…I feel bad for him…

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Maybe we can flip Graves for a pick to Nashville?

I mean... I'd usually laugh at this because Graves is abhorrent. Maybe top three worst FA signings on this team ever.

But like... you are clearly paying attention because Trotz is obviously a terrible GM.

 

[JackFr]

nah bro he was simply very good

a little of column A, a little of column B... I think they'll be fine with him as the 2C next year if Bennett doesn't come back

 

[Empoleon8771]

It’s also hilarious to me that Nashville traded a 3rd to move Glass’s deal a year ago, then traded a 4th to acquire Haula this year because they don’t have any depth centers.

 

[66-30-33]

I mean... I'd usually laugh at this because Graves is abhorrent. Maybe top three worst FA signings on this team ever.

But like... you are clearly paying attention because Trotz is obviously a terrible GM.

Yeah, let's get Dubas to do it. He would be awesome if he did it! it helps with our collection of picks too.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I didn't look him up but lets see how close I am... he went to some country with extremely strict laws and did something like take a dump on a national monument and then acted like his rights were being violated when he was inevitably arrested.

No idea. Have no clue who he is or what he did beyond the fact that he's a reaction bait youtuber and I stand by what I said.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

credit where it’s due— 4x4 for Donato is very fair

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

guess I’m wrong about them selling at some point. Nashville just stupid as hell

 

[Malkinstheman]

Trotz could get a haul for ROR on this shit center market but instead treats him like royalty. Dude has no trade protection but still gets asked if and where he would want to go

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

a little of column A, a little of column B... I think they'll be fine with him as the 2C next year if Bennett doesn't come back

To be frank I think my pushback is because it’s a misuse of PDO to use it to judge guys on good teams in short samples. We shouldn’t think less of them because they and their teammates finished their chances and their goalie stopped the puck.

Like Florida just showed they were the best team in the league and went 16-7 in the playoffs. Of course their best line had a high SH% and SV% when they were out there in a small 23 game sample.

 

[JackFr]

To be frank I think my pushback is because it’s a misuse of PDO to use it to judge guys on good teams in short samples. We shouldn’t think less of them because they and their teammates finished their chances and their goalie stopped the puck.

Like Florida just showed they were the best team in the league and went 16-7 in the playoffs. Of course their best line had a high SH% and SV% when they were out there in a small 23 game sample.

I think it's reasonable in this case since the tweet you posted is highlighting his goal differential and 5v5 production, both of which are massively impacted by a 17% on-ice shooting percentage.

That doesn't mean I think he stinks or that the Cats' Cup wasn't legit or whatever, just that if we're projecting outwards and assessing him as a player we do have to keep these things in mind. But that's not really relevant to the Penguins eh

 

[Pancakes]

HFPens if Gurglesons was gone...

Fixed it for you.

Also just kidding you know we love you Pixies

 

[Jared Grayden]

Trotz could get a haul for ROR on this shit center market but instead treats him like royalty. Dude has no trade protection but still gets asked if and where he would want to go

Unfortunately I suspect Dubas will be similar with Rust.

 

[DrDangles]

For anyone thinking teams will be paying to dump deals this off-season, I think this pours some cold water on that idea. I know it’s Barry Trotz and he’s stupid, but Haula is a declining 34 year old making over $3 million a year. If a team is paying positive value for that, I don’t think there will be much of a market to get 2nds and 3rds for guys like Hayes and Glass.

That said, this also makes me feel like you can get something for Hayes and Acciari right now, even if it’s just a late round pick.

Slightly different circumstances as Haula is a good player coming off a down year but could still be impactful if he bounces back. Not quite the same as trading for a guy that's been bad for a while coming from a team in a cap crunch like Dumba in Dallas.

 

[TimmyD]

Tomas Hertl and Tyler Toffoli

Neither of those players are as good as Jake Guentzel

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

I think it's reasonable in this case since the tweet you posted is highlighting his goal differential and 5v5 production, both of which are massively impacted by a 17% on-ice shooting percentage.

That doesn't mean I think he stinks or that the Cats' Cup wasn't legit or whatever, just that if we're projecting outwards and assessing him as a player we do have to keep these things in mind. But that's not really relevant to the Penguins eh

im saying that the SH% is a result of his and his linemates unreal play rather than being a knock against them.

which given the eye test and sample size feels like a pretty reasonable take

 

[JackFr]

im saying that the SH% is a result of his and his linemates unreal play rather than being a knock against them.

which given the eye test and sample size feels like a pretty reasonable take

A 17% on-ice shooting percentage is never the sustainable result of play. That's the highest by far in the 2007-08 onwards era in the postseason. We have more detailed scoring chance data from them that paints a pretty clear picture.