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[Lust for Life]

Still think it's a big nothingburger and that he'll retire or re-sign, unless he specifically asks for a trade which I find doubtful.

 

[Pancakes]

Marchand is like two years younger and has less hard miles. I don't think it's a fair comparison.

But yes I would be super shocked if Malkin had resurgent season then went on to put up a near PPG in a deep playoff run.

Doesn't matter regardless... but man people sure don't like talking about this for whatever reason. Guys like Crosby and Ovechkin are the exception for the most part. Most guys just go the route of Malkin. Is what it is etc.

It's not about not liking to talk about it. I just think it's being hyperbolic to say he's washed up. But maybe we have different definitions of cooked.

He still scored at a 2c pace despite Sullivan not using him much on the PP. He's still a useful player. On a deeper team people would be glad to have him. But just like Marchand with Boston he can't carry any more. Marchand wasn't enough to prevent Boston from being a shitheap and Malkin wasn't enough to do the same for the Pens. Doesn't mean that Malkin wouldn't be highly useful on a better team, or that he's entirely useless here.

 

[pistolpete11]

All of this is going to be moot when he ends up retiring anyways. There’s no indication that he absolutely wants to play beyond this year besides Yohe’s very intentional “it’s unsure if Malkin will play beyond next year but it won’t be with the Penguins” wording.

Not only is Yohe getting his first scoop a couple decades into his career unlikely, even if he did, things change.

Geno could be thinking he's going to retire after next season, but if he and/or the team bounce back, he could think "You know what? One more year."

Or he could be thinking he's going to play forever and he blows out his knee in training camp.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

He isn't even as good as Bryan Rust anymore, Cakes.

That's cooked enough.

 

[Pancakes]

He isn't even as good as Bryan Rust anymore, Cakes.

That's cooked enough.

Bryan Rust also comfortably outscored Brad Marchand.

And I know you're not gonna tell me Bryan Rust would be playing better in a playoff run than Brad Marchand is right now

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Bryan Rust also comfortably outscored Brad Marchand.

And I know you're not gonna tell me Bryan Rust would be playing better in a playoff run than Brad Marchand is right now

Despite his All American Super Penguin status he has 35 points in 79 career playoff games.

So no. No I would not tell you that.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

This semantics discourse reminds me of when we used to say DOC sucked ass and people were like "Hey, no way--DOC doesn't suck, he's a bit useful! Tanner Glass sucked ass!"

Geno's a serviceable enough player because guys of his caliber never lose their hands or vision, and he's always gone full bore when he's on the ice. But he's absolutely a shell of his former self, and I'd agree he's pretty much cooked at this stage.

A contender would benefit from adding Geno but he'd have to be in a sheltered role and probably used as a power play specialist. Marchand was on pace for like 30ish points when he got to Florida, then they figured out how best to utilize who he is at this stage and he's done really well. Could probably get a similar use out of Geno, though I dunno if it'd be as impressive as Marchand's been against Edmonton.

 

[Kasperi kapanen]

This f***ing sucks

 

[Deport Ogie]

I'll only accept any Malkin trade if we finally fulfil the prophecy and get Vincent Trocheck to take his place.

 

[Zbynek]

This f***ing sucks

It's Yohe. He doesn't know shit

 

[Kasperi kapanen]

It's Yohe. He doesn't know shit

That’s a VERY bold claim for him to throw out so I wouldn’t be surprised if he actually did his homework on this.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

I dunno. If I remove all the nostalgia he looks like a guy that is like months away from being where you describe at least at the NHL level.

I love the guy but he's just beat and never adjusted his game much to account for age like I had hoped he would. There just isn't much there to work with, now. I hate to even say it but honestly if there is a team next year who would give up something for him at the deadline as a like... Perry-esque potential addition to that team's run I'd probably just take it at this point. I feel like Malkin isn't building his legacy here anymore... only diminishing it.

I honestly don't see how Malkin could've produced like he did, on a proverbial island, if he were as cooked as you imply here.

His points per game was .74 - a 61 point pace per 82 games, good for 49th in the league...playing with 4th liners. Rossi, a player a lot of people advocate targeting for a scoring center role, just put up .73 points per game playing with Boldy, Zucc, and Kaprizov.

Let's see what he can do with something better than Beauvillier, Bunting, and Tomasino on his wings before we send him to the glue factory.

 

[chethejet]

Lets see if Malkin can benefit with a better set of wingers. Yes he is sliding and maybe faster as we go here. But I am good with Koivunen and his offensive skill and Rakell play on wing to have a decent second line. Malkin benefits from not having to be that center who just dominates the ice. he still has skill and yes his speed and ability to burst past D men is no longer there. I am optimistic a new coach, new young wingers and improving the play will be interesting to watch. this is one year since pens are moving on to the next phase of Penguin Hockey.

 

[Deport Ogie]

That’s a VERY bold claim for him to throw out so I wouldn’t be surprised if he actually did his homework on this.

Nah, it's a perfectly legitimate journalistic bullshit play. We all see Malkin and we all know his contract status. It's still more likely as not he retires which makes Yohe look smart. Even if he re-signs here, it's a full year out and easy for Yohe to just claim that management shifted their position after "suchandsuch".

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

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He's putting up elite passing metrics. He was on pace for 66 pts last year.

I don't really get the issue with Malkin. If you play him with top tier wingers like Sid, I'm sure he'll be fine. His production also fell off because they took him off the PP.

Blaming Malkin for Mike Sullivan is interesting.

The image of Sid and Malkin retiring the same game is well worth re-signing him if he wants to continue to play for us.

Look what you've done @BlindWillyMcHurt, you made Gurgs and I agree.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

I honestly don't see how Malkin could've produced like he did, on a proverbial island, if he were as cooked as you imply here.

His points per game was .74 - a 61 point pace per 82 games, good for 49th in the league...playing with 4th liners. Rossi, a player a lot of people advocate targeting for a scoring center role, just put up .73 points per game playing with Boldy, Zucc, and

I don't disagree but he still got a ton of minutes most games so it's not like his opportunity was completely severed.

He is cooked as a viable top six center or maybe even just as a center in general if you find that a more reasonable assessment.

It isn't even just about the production. Watching him play 9/10 shifts makes it pretty obvious. It isn't fair to compare but it's inevitable... you watch Crosby take a shift then Malkin take a shift and they are a world apart in just about every facet of the game.

Look what you've done @BlindWillyMcHurt, you made Gurgs and I agree.

Yeah but again you guys are literally posting up some magnificently mediocre statistics to back your point, here. I'm not so sure this is the counter you think it to be.

 

[pistolpete11]

That’s a VERY bold claim for him to throw out so I wouldn’t be surprised if he actually did his homework on this.

Is it? I feel like we've been hearing Geno to Florida since like circa 2011.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

I don't disagree but he still got a ton of minutes most games so it's not like his opportunity was completely severed.

He is cooked as a viable top six center or maybe even just as a center in general if you find that a more reasonable assessment.

It isn't even just about the production. Watching him play 9/10 shifts makes it pretty obvious. It isn't fair to compare but it's inevitable... you watch Crosby take a shift then Malkin take a shift and they are a world apart in just about every facet of the game.



Yeah but again you guys are literally posting up some magnificently mediocre statistics to back your point, here. I'm not so sure this is the counter you think it to be.

I thought the Rossi comp was pretty apt.

People seem to want him despite being 5'9" and failing to match Malkin's "cooked" numbers while playing with star linemates.

 

[pistolpete11]

It isn't even just about the production. Watching him play 9/10 shifts makes it pretty obvious. It isn't fair to compare but it's inevitable... you watch Crosby take a shift then Malkin take a shift and they are a world apart in just about every facet of the game.

While true, even Sid kinda sucked until Sullivan gave him Rakell AND Rust.

I'm not expecting Geno to find the fountain of youth or anything, but I think people are forgetting Sullivan f***ing blows and he's no longer here.

 

[JackFr]

I would be upset if Malkin wanted to keep playing and we shut the door. I'd also be confused; we're going to need all the ticket draws we can get.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

I would be upset if Malkin wanted to keep playing and we shut the door. I'd also be confused; we're going to need all the ticket draws we can get.

Indeed. His final few home games will be guaranteed sellouts.

 

[TimmyD]

"nostalgia reasons".

Malkin is a top 30 all time NHLer. He should retire a Penguin.

I’d be willing to bet a lot that if he leaves Florida offers him a 1 year deal and he takes it and then he centers the second line with Bennett and Tkachuk as his wingers and he looks great as the 2C.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Reports of Malkin's demise are greatly exaggerated. Always have been, for some reason.

 

[TimmyD]

Here’s what happens. Pens let Malkin walk at the end of the year, but he wants to keep playing so he signs with Florida. Sid gets enraged by this decision and demands a trade to Colorado to play with his best buddy Nate. Sid and Geno meet in the Stanley Cup Final for a fairytale ending.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Man, these long summers with zero organizational progress toward anything positive are just rotting our f***ing brains.

Of course Geno should be re-signed if he wants to play an extra year to retire with Sid. This team sucks, Geno pretty much sucks and is only gonna get worse. It doesn't really matter.

We were at each other's throats for weeks over whether or not it'd be detrimental to the long term cause to sign Marner, but somehow a wizened Geno is gonna be an issue for the tank now? I dunno man, again, long off-season brainrot.

All this shit because of a totally fabricated article from bullshit artist Josh f***ing Yohe.