Salary Cap: 24-25 Salary Thread Crosbicles Volume MXIIX: Rust out, Marner in, all part of the plan!

[Dipsy Doodle]

Crazy how much difference a year makes. People were talking about needing a sweetener to dump Raks last summer.
I say trade him now, before he falls apart again.

For the record, that take was as impulsive then as it is now, and its a good portion of the same posters wanting to push him out the door for whatever we can get.

 

[chethejet]

Dubas has to be striking a deal that rewards his wants. High end prospects, Young NHL players ect. Teams who are adding know the contracts, term and salary structure of Rust, Rakell, Karlsson are far to good vs expensive FA or lack of real free agents to begin with. I do thin Dubas will be active in offers and trade talks at the draft.

 

[Ulf5]

C'mon Dubas give me a father's day present. Make a nice juicy trade.

 

[BusinessGoose]

C'mon Dubas give me a father's day present. Make a nice juicy trade.

You didn't put which year father's day

You know the rules

You won't get shit from this universe until at least 2032 now

 

[Ulf5]

You didn't put which year father's day

You know the rules

You won't get shit from this universe until at least 2032 now

Can see it now, huge 7 player trade. I keel over and expire 5 minutes later. Nowhere near enough time to read the 5000 hf posts already made in 4 different forums.

 

[Andy99]

Rust plus the Rangers first round pick (which I do think they will give us this year) for JJ Peterka…who says no?

 

[Ugene Magic]

Rust plus the Rangers first round pick (which I do think they will give us this year) for JJ Peterka…who says no?

Rust and his NMC until July 1st.

 

[JackFr]

Rust plus the Rangers first round pick (which I do think they will give us this year) for JJ Peterka…who says no?

Now's not the time... there will be Peterkas out there when we're ready

 

[Andy99]

Rust and his NMC until July 1st.

Trade the Rangers 2025 pick along with “future considerations” and then on July 1 make good on those future considerations by trading Buf Rust for a bag of pucks lol

 

[Ryder71]

Rust and his NMC until July 1st.

Say future considerations, then send him out July 2hd.

 

[Andy99]

Now's not the time... there will be Peterkas out there when we're ready

I mean he fits what Dubas said he wanted to do…trade vets and our excess of picks for high quality young players…he’s 23 so he fits.. if you think we’ll be competitive in 2-3 years, then he fits..if you think the rebuild will take 5-7 years, then you’re right.

 

[JackFr]

I mean he fits what Dubas said he wanted to do…trade vets and our excess of picks for high quality young players…he’s 23 so he fits.. if you think we’ll be competitive in 2-3 years, then he fits..if you think the rebuild will take 5-7 years, then you’re right.

Yeah but Rust (who's probably worth a 1st+player+prospect) + a 12th overall pick is real rich value for Peterka, especially considering we won't really get anything useful out of him for 3-4 years in terms of actually advancing the franchise.

 

[Ulf5]

Rust and his NMC until July 1st.

Then Buffalo

 

[chethejet]

Dubas is looking to get things moving faster than the 5 year Russian plan. I really like Hague for picks at LD. Yes picking ones shots for the eventual trades of Rust Rakell and Karlsson may not happen until the TDL. Makes some sense Dubas if he doesn't get what he wants back holds on to them for next season anyway. Hedge the top 6 for the McGroarty and Koivunen making the top 6 with Rust, Rakell buys some development time as well. Malkin with Rakell and Koivunen could be a very good 2nd line. Dubas has 24 million in cap space so he can add here with players who fit his vision. New head coach will bring needed change to the stale Sullivan era.

 

[Andy99]

Yeah but Rust (who's probably worth a 1st+player+prospect) + a 12th overall pick is real rich value for Peterka, especially considering we won't really get anything useful out of him for 3-4 years in terms of actually advancing the franchise.

I mean I don’t mind paying less for him lol…I dont think Rust alone is getting a top six younger player or organization’s top prospect…we’d have to add…I wouldnt add an unprotected 2026 pick but if the Rags give us their pick this year, I dont think we’re going to do better with that pick than Peterka and Rust is superfluous at this point for us unless you want to add more players to the nostalgia tour lol…I don’t

 

[Pens x]

Dubas ain’t doing anything until closer to free agency. Dude needs to go on another European vacation.

 

[AjaxTelamon]

For the record, that take was as impulsive then as it is now, and its a good portion of the same posters wanting to push him out the door for whatever we can get.

It's just the usual suspects around here pushing this "trade Rakell" narrative, sometimes I think it's because he made fools out of said posters last year, and they're concerned he'll do it again.

If the Pens want to win during the rest of Sid's career they can't trade Rakell, aside from an absurd overpay, as Dubas said. There are almost no Rakell trades where the Pens win that deal in the next couple of years. A middling 1st and a prospect doesn't help us as much as 30 goals a year from Sid's wing will. The plan should be to win in 2026-27.

Rakell has been a consistent scoring two-way winger his entire career, is on a dirt cheap deal, and plays both sides. He's our 2nd best forward and is a year younger than Rust, and has historically been pretty durable. Just don't saddle him with the husk of Geno and he'll continue to be a solid 25-30g type player. Trade Rust if you want more draft capital and/or to make room for a certain RW. And with a rising cap I'd be all in on Marner, I think he gets a bum rap because his trigger man keeps coming up empty, and would be insane setting up Sid and Raks.

 

[HandshakeLine]

How on earth are they winning anything with Sid for the rest of his career anyway even with Rackell? lol.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Can't rush into the rebuild as a team with a 38 year old core, seven years removed from a playoff round, having missed the playoffs three years in a row.

Stop trying to rush the rebuild.

 

[chethejet]

Dubas spent his first year trying to win with a head coach who was going through the motions. then in addition to cleaning up some Hextall issues, He went for the Jarry narratuve that just wasn't the best move. I think a different system for Graves at least has a shot. But yes, new coach, new emphasis on younger players with Sid and the trades that will happen is not a tear it down move. Dubas if he can add Hague at LD, dump the stretch and pinch system and add some grit in front of the net and Pens are not a tire fire here. It all depends on what moves and returns he gets back in higher end prospects and young upside players.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Yeah I don't really want to trade any 1sts for anyone right now. Sure, I really like Peterka but this team is so far away from contention that I think trading a fortune for Peterka doesn't make sense.

Adding Peterka is the kind of move you make when you have a young core ready to take the next step, like when the Penguins traded for Hossa with a young Crosby and Malkin. You don't add Hossa before you have Crosby and Malkin, though.

 

[Zbynek]

For the record, that take was as impulsive then as it is now, and its a good portion of the same posters wanting to push him out the door for whatever we can get.

I mean, yes, but at least this time around it makes sense to do it. Last summer this org was still talking about making a run for it and there was legitimate fear that Sullivan would be a permanent, unmovable fixture.

Moving on from Sully is such a big step for this org. Just keep going. And as for the original point - It's hard to argue the trade value of Rust/Rakell will get any higher than they are right now. Plus, the market right now - if the rumor is true that the Pens are one of the only league-wide sellers, that's a great position to be in.

 

[Lust for Life]

Honestly if you're not trying to win (and I god damn assume Pens aren't) then you should try and sell everything with a pulse.

Rust, Novak, Heinen, Acciari, Graves, Jarry, Ned and Rakell should really be sent to whoever offers even the slightest of futures. if you can work with EK to send him out then you do it. I don't know how Hayes NTC is (puckpedia just said Modified) but if you can move him you do.

Put Geno and Sid together so they can chase records, the rest doesn't matter. Tank for McKenna.

As evidenced of this season the Pens are just mediocre enough to not have a high draft pick and not be in the playoffs, so take away the toys.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Yeah, and the argument too for selling some of the guys anyway even if you want one last go is that the current roster makeup clearly isn't good enough to make the playoffs. It needs more than a little tinkering; it needs a thorough reworking and a lot of luck. So, either you hold pat with the same putrid roster with diminishing returns, or you roll the dice for one hell of a gamble and make a bold retool. Personally, I think the time to do that was 3 seasons ago, but it took time for Dubas to remember he runs the team.

So, either way, there's just no percentage in holding on to guys like Rust or Rackell, regardless of where you stand on the rebuild/retool "debate".

 

[HandshakeLine]

And just to be clear, I don't think there's any move that makes us even a dark horse/spoiler/8th seed. But clearly what we have now isn't good enough to do that even. So, something's gotta significantly change.