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Empoleon8771
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I was mistaken, I thought Dewar was playing RW. Still, Koivunen has been playing both wings this year and can play either side.
He is not exclusively a RW.
Sounds like other teams will also be using qualifying offers. How does that work if multiple teams want to make offers? Does it turn into a bidding war?
Gurglesons
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Okay so multiple teams can place offer sheets on a player and he picks one. That makes sense.
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There's no such thing as "placing" an offer sheet. An RFA is still, technically, a free agent. They're just restricted. An offer sheet is an offer of a standard player contract. Like a UFA, the player is free to decide which teams to even talk to, much less whether to accept an offer from them. The difference is that for an RFA, there's a condition on the contract - the team that currently holds that player's rights has the ability to match whatever contract any other team offers them, and if they do, the player ends up with their original team.
It isn't like waivers where multiple teams can put in claims, and one team comes out on top. For an offer sheet to work, the player in question has to be willing to sign with another team in the first place, and with the team making the offer, in particular. If ten teams want to put in an offer sheet, but the player wants to stick with their current team, no "offer sheet" ends up existing, because the player never signs any deals with anyone else.
The main reason offer sheets can even come about in the first place is usually because the outside team is able to offer more money than the team that holds that player's rights. Because otherwise, there's really not even any point to negotiating with anyone other than the team you're already with - since they can just match any offer they can afford under the salary cap anyway.
Right but I wasn’t sure how it worked when multiple teams made offers. From what I’m seeing it looks like teams are going to copy that model and there will be more offer sheets this offseason compared to previous years.
Offer sheers have picks attached to them. Teams can also work a trade so the money may not be as dear as an offer sheet. But I agree, Pens are in the third inning here and may want to add younger cheaper talent to the system. If Valardi was available next year, Pens would have interest to add a center of his ilk to the roster as giving up a 1st and third is not a killer if they gave the Rangers pick for example..
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I think some teams will try but few will be successful. Too much cap space out there unless the league retracts it - which they very well could.
Gurglesons
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No they can't. It's contractually obligated.
Also, this summer is the perfect season to do it, because a lot of teams are still tight to the cap.
Gurglesons
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You can only give up your picks in an offer sheet.
Empoleon8771
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There are actually a couple of RFA defenseman that I would like looking at for an offersheet. Just a few options are Byram, Hague, Lohrei, Evans and Miller. The issue with that though is multiple of those guys may be reaching 1st round compensation level returns, which I wouldn't want to do. I think Byram and Miller probably end up in the 1st and 3rd compensation range, although we don't know what the new ranges will be with the higher cap.
Hague seems like the obvious guy to target, he plays a style they really need in a partner for Letang or Karlsson and Vegas isn't in a comfortable cap situation to match an offersheet thrown at him. I'd explore a trade first to see if you can get him without using the Penguins own 2nd, but if not I'd throw a 4x4.5 offersheet at him pretty easily.
The Penguins have 3 2nds next year, I'd easily trade one of them for Hague if you can get him re-signed to a medium term deal.
Hague seems like the obvious guy to target, he plays a style they really need in a partner for Letang or Karlsson and Vegas isn't in a comfortable cap situation to match an offersheet thrown at him. I'd explore a trade first to see if you can get him without using the Penguins own 2nd, but if not I'd throw a 4x4.5 offersheet at him pretty easily.
The Penguins have 3 2nds next year, I'd easily trade one of them for Hague if you can get him re-signed to a medium term deal.
Gurglesons
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I don't really want anything to do with Byram especially given what Chychrun just signed for. Some idiot is going to give Byram like 8 mil x 6-8 years and he's been a train wreck for three years.
Empoleon8771
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Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if I'm even underestimating him coming in the 1st and 3rd compensation range. With who else the Penguins have on defense, he doesn't really fit anyway.
Hague is the obvious guy, he fits what they need and Vegas almost assuredly can't match an offersheet. Bahl, Samberg and Romanov also fit what they'd be targeting really well, but I think all of those teams can match offersheets much easier than Vegas can.
Gurglesons
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Samberg is like the best D on the Jets this year.
Romanov is kind of a trash fire.
Bahl rocks.
I've wanted Hague for several years.
Empoleon8771
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I thought Bahl was a nothing piece up until this year, but he's been terrific for Calgary. Shows how guys like him just need time.
I don't think any of those 3 would be achievable through offersheets, like I said they fit what the Penguins would want really well but the other teams would likely match an offersheet. Romanov is probably the most achievable, but the other 2 are almost assuredly an instant match from those teams.
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Imagine keeping a head coach who has underperformed for 5 years in today’s NHL when coaches are routinely ****canned after one or two seasons.
They really are going to let this idiot stay employed because of an crappy GM and the fact that he is team USA’s coach.
Simply a mickey mouse move.
Please hire an actual GM, Kyle
They really are going to let this idiot stay employed because of an crappy GM and the fact that he is team USA’s coach.
Simply a mickey mouse move.
Please hire an actual GM, Kyle
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Not really. That's the problem. Only team with a worthwhile RFA that is close to the cap is Dallas and Bourque.
Who else? MAYBE VGK and Hague
Gurglesons
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Bouchard in Edmonton. They have 13 mil.
Rossi in Minnesota. They have 21.88 mil.
Knies in Toronto. They have 27.49 mil
KAM in NYR. They have 9.67 mil.
Peterka and Byram in BUF. They have 23 mil.
Toronto, Buffalo, and Minnesota may look like they have enough cap to sign those players. But Toronto has Tavares and Marner or a replacement to sign. Who knows if Minnesota is willing to pay for Rossi and Buffalo has an internal cap.
I doubt we do any of those big ones given our future, but could easily see a team targeting Rossi with a 9 mil x 5 year deal.
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Bouchard in Edmonton. They have 13 mil. They have enough.
Rossi in Minnesota. They have 21.88 mil. They have enough and likely wouldn't lose him to an OS.
Knies in Toronto. They have 27.49 mil. They have enough.
KAM in NYR. They have 9.67 mil. Maybe, but they would let him go because he stinks. Not someone we should be OS'ing.
Peterka and Byram in BUF. They have 23 mil. They have enough.
None of those teams are in any serious danger of losing those guys.
Empoleon8771
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The 2nd round compensation ceiling for next year will probably be extremely close to $5 million, which I'd instantly give to Miller if he'd take that. My worry is that he'd come in just a bit higher than that, something like $5.5 million or $6 million seems more accurate.
If the 2nd round compensation ceiling was $6 million instead of $5 million, I'd offersheet him without a question. But I think he'll just barely scrape into the 1st and 3rd compensation range, which is too much to justify offersheeting him.
If the 2nd round compensation ceiling was $6 million instead of $5 million, I'd offersheet him without a question. But I think he'll just barely scrape into the 1st and 3rd compensation range, which is too much to justify offersheeting him.
Gurglesons
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You asked.
I'm giving you multiple candidates that multiple media outlets have been reporting are at risk of an offer sheet.
Chris Johnston just did an entire episode on it via his podcast and he's probably the 2nd best insider in the game.
Well you have to give a consideration to the fact that the player may not want to play in their respective cities/organizations…supposedly the case that Peterka doesn’t want to resign in BUF. So he might sign an offer sheet and BUF might accept the draft picks, if they can’t trade him for another player
Exactly. He's garbage.
But then look at the free agent defensemen which Dubas has brought in the past 2 offseasons.
Dubas probably thinks K'Andre Miller is fantastic even though he's garbage, but one big expensive underachieving defenseman on our team is enough (I'm referring to Graves here, so calm down EK-lovers).
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