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[eXile3]

Can't remember the last time I saw him actually look to generate offense versus just getting pucks deep, hard on the forecheck. Not going to go to battle over a player like that - but he's literally the mirror image of what Sullivan wants in his entire bottom 6. Just waste time on the ice for 0-0 low event hockey.

He probably has some offensive skills...or at least I'd think so being in the NHL. I just genuinely have no clue what those might look like. His shifts are all the same....get the puck, push deep, waste time. Maybe that's for good reason?

He’s a -26 5 on 5. I wish he played 0-0 low event hockey.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

He's a heart and soul guy but he really sucks. 9 goals in 2 seasons is terrible even for a 4th liner. He should be getting that every season.

Shh. Maybe another team will see the trophy case and covet him.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Also, TBF, Schenn basically told Dubas "the f*** I will" when told he was coming to the pens. So, cool Dubas got value for him because it was a stupid transaction to make without the player wanting to be here.

I imagine Dubas made the deal prepared for either eventuality.

 

[PamBallam]

Can't remember the last time I saw him actually look to generate offense versus just getting pucks deep, hard on the forecheck. Not going to go to battle over a player like that - but he's literally the mirror image of what Sullivan wants in his entire bottom 6. Just waste time on the ice for 0-0 low event hockey.

He probably has some offensive skills...or at least I'd think so being in the NHL. I just genuinely have no clue what those might look like. His shifts are all the same....get the puck, push deep, waste time. Maybe that's for good reason?

Just like Bylsma before him, Sullivan is drawn to players that remind him of his own playing days.

 

[BrookswasHere44]

Do I want the Rangers to make the playoffs this year or not? I feel like that hasn't been clear to me

Someone hook me up. I'm trying to see what I'm rooting for and hate watching

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Someone hook me up. I'm trying to see what I'm rooting for and hate watching

We want losses. NYR has the option to retain or give up the top 13 protected pick within 48 hours of the draft, so we want either a high pick this year or a 2026 lotto ticket for McKenna.

 

[SEALBound]

I imagine Dubas made the deal prepared for either eventuality.

If I had to guess, the whole "We like Schenn, we want him to be here next year" talk was mere platitudes by the FO. Dubas got him included to flip him. 100%.

They knew what the market would be.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Someone hook me up. I'm trying to see what I'm rooting for and hate watching

Win just enough so their pick is around 10th-12th overall this year, but not so much that they give the Penguins the 2026 1st.

I know people get starry eyed over the McKenna potential with that pick, but I'd rather have a guaranteed pick at #10-#12 this year. I don't think the Rangers will be bad again next year.

 

[Ryder71]

If I had to guess, the whole "We like Schenn, we want him to be here next year" talk was mere platitudes by the FO. Dubas got him included to flip him. 100%.

They knew what the market would be.

Surprised Nashville didn't.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Every GM who doesn't have a legitimate chance at the 2nd round of next year's POs should be tanking for McKenna.

Only 1 winner so you got to be real bad.

Damn I was 15 years ahead of the curve in franchise mode on Xbox

I have always said it doesn't make sense not to use offer sheets.

Rorabaugh said this a few weeks ago, I didn't notice it mentioned. He's been talked about a bunch, but I just learned that Hallander actually broke the record for most points in a season with Timra and finished 2nd in the SHL scoring.

If he's being brought back, it's 100% as a NHLer. You're not getting him to sign without guaranteeing him a NHL chance.

I don't see why he wouldn't just pick staying in the SHL over making that kind of gamble.

I don't think he's signing based on "if they don't want me, they'll waive me and someone else will probably claim me".

outside of being a competitive pro athlete wanting to be and play the best… I can think of hundreds of thousands, if not millions of reasons

Pens are gonna lie and “guarantee” him a spot regardless but he doesn’t really hold the cards here tbh

I think he makes 200k or 250k in the SHL.

2 years 1 million each year in the NHL is 8 SHL years if we go with 250k.
He can probably get it terminated if he goes to the AHL on our team or another team as well and just go back.

Gotta say something here. Timmins has played very well since he was acquired. Maybe one or two games he was meh, but overall he's been our best defensemen. Not that that in and of itself is saying much but...

10 games 1 goal 4 assists for 5 points and a +6.

Dewar himself has also been serviceable. For a 5th round pick?

Exploiting the Leafs cap peril has paid off. This appears to be really good value from KD.

I think Timmins can be a decent bottom pairing guy that if we need to sell there will be another taker. He's looked great for us though.

That doesn't seem to have been the rationale for not dealing Rakell at the deadline. Dubas' price just wasn't met. People were up in arms about him acquiring Schenn then he flipped him for a 2nd the next day.

I don't think there's an issue with keeping Rakell if he's moved in the offseason, but I know we're not on the same page there.

I think Carolina was being cheap. Rumor has it Canucks received an offer of only a 2nd rounder.
I think Dubas asking publically is higher than what he actually would accept but the

Hurricanes we can call them a smart well run franchise but until they get a cup all these cheap deals and constant prospects mean nothing.

Surprised Nashville didn't.

I have read that they went to all the vets asking who wanted to stay in Nashville even the newer signings in Stamkos for example.
Saying that we want you to be here and we will help find a new home if you don't want to play for us.

I think Schenn took them up on that offer and again surprised they didn't look harder. Very questionable.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

We can't take steps to put ourselves in the best position to land McKenna because we have to try our best to be one of half the teams in the league that makes the playoffs, just so they can either still miss, or be a 1st round sacrificial lamb.

Everyone remembers the 2023 Penguins' season, it'll go down in history as one of the seasons of all time. We gotta replicate that greatness. Forget trying to land a guy who could be a franchise cornerstone player for 20 years.

 

[Pancakes]

We can't take steps to put ourselves in the best position to land McKenna because we have to try our best to be one of half the teams in the league that makes the playoffs, just so they can either still miss, or be a 1st round sacrificial lamb.

Everyone remembers the 2023 Penguins' season, it'll go down in history as one of the seasons of all time. We gotta replicate that greatness. Forget trying to land a guy who could be a franchise cornerstone player for 20 years.

Unless Dubas pulls off something unexpected like signing Marner we're likely going to be in contention for a bottom five pick again next year. I see very few reasons why we wouldn't be unless one of our goalies randomly has a great year. Our roster simply isn't good enough to expect much better.

 

[DesertPenguin]

Someone hook me up. I'm trying to see what I'm rooting for and hate watching

We want them to make or miss the playoffs by the thinnest of mar

Win just enough so their pick is around 10th-12th overall this year, but not so much that they give the Penguins the 2026 1st.

I know people get starry eyed over the McKenna potential with that pick, but I'd rather have a guaranteed pick at #10-#12 this year. I don't think the Rangers will be bad again next year.

Yeah, two ways to think about it. You either want them to get the 14th overall pick, so that means just barely missing the playoffs, or you want them to dip lower than that, keep their pick this year, and then fall to pieces next season so we get another bingo ball in the McKenna lottery. They're right on the edge right now.

 

[DesertPenguin]

Win just enough so their pick is around 10th-12th overall this year, but not so much that they give the Penguins the 2026 1st.

I know people get starry eyed over the McKenna potential with that pick, but I'd rather have a guaranteed pick at #10-#12 this year. I don't think the Rangers will be bad again next year.

I assume they believe the same, that they will be better next year. If so, they keep the pick if its top 13 and they have the option to do so. So we want them at 14th OA.

Edit: As was mentioned earlier, the west is so much stronger than the east right now that if NYR miss the playoffs, they're probably sitting around 12th and would likely keep the pick. So I guess we want them to make the final WC spot.

 

[Jared Grayden]

Unless Dubas pulls off something unexpected like signing Marner we're likely going to be in contention for a bottom five pick again next year. I see very few reasons why we wouldn't be unless one of our goalies randomly has a great year. Our roster simply isn't good enough to expect much better.

I hope you're right. I worry they will "lose with dignity" and be drafting in the 6-16 range again.

 

[Ryder71]

Unless Dubas pulls off something unexpected like signing Marner we're likely going to be in contention for a bottom five pick again next year. I see very few reasons why we wouldn't be unless one of our goalies randomly has a great year. Our roster simply isn't good enough to expect much better.

Do you? Have you seen how maniacal Sullivan wants to win meaningless games?

If there's a good 10, we'll finish 11th. If there's a fantastic to five, we'll finish 6th.

Top eight this year... pfffffffff Sullivan has this team in ninth!

This is not hyperbole, this is what he does. Him and that poor excuse for a goalie he insists on trotting out there now, to f*** us up!

THEY'RE SICK! SINCERELY SICK VILE INDIVIDUALS!

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Unless Dubas pulls off something unexpected like signing Marner we're likely going to be in contention for a bottom five pick again next year. I see very few reasons why we wouldn't be unless one of our goalies randomly has a great year. Our roster simply isn't good enough to expect much better.

And with the right moves like trading Rakell, Rust and EK this summer, you've got a great shot at finishing last. Which is what this team should be doing, because none of the three matter to a team approaching bottoming out, but I imagine they'll be here in October cuz we gotta hang on to 'em for Sid's legacy or some dumb shit.

 

[Gurglesons]

If I had to guess, the whole "We like Schenn, we want him to be here next year" talk was mere platitudes by the FO. Dubas got him included to flip him. 100%.

They knew what the market would be.

Dubas acquired Luke Schenn and CJ is the one who reported it. He's close to Dubas.

Maybe, as some have said Dubas just isn't that smart.

 

[DesertPenguin]

I hope you're right. I worry they will "lose with dignity" and be drafting in the 6-16 range again.

We might be in the same spot as we are now, sitting 8th, but I can' see us hitting bottom 3 in the standings to where we have a realistic chance at McKenna.

We've added over the course of the year as much or more than we've subtracted.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

I assume they believe the same, that they will be better next year. If so, they keep the pick if its top 13 and they have the option to do so. So we want them at 14th OA.

Edit: As was mentioned earlier, the west is so much stronger than the east right now that if NYR miss the playoffs, they're probably sitting around 12th and would likely keep the pick. So I guess we want them to make the final WC spot.

Nah. The Rangers are a decent bet to do as bad or worse next year, in a deeper draft, with an unprotected 2026 pick.

That's what we should be hoping for - all losses, then Rags decide this year's pick is too high to pass on and give us 2026. Or they suck but decide 2026 is too tempting to pass up and they give us a top 10 pick.

The Rags finishing outside of that top 13 draft pick status this year is about the worst outcome for us.

 

[Empoleon8771]

The Rangers finishing with a top-13 draft pick doesn't mean they won't give it to the Penguins. They can finish with say the 10th pick and decide they'd rather hold onto the 2026 pick over giving up #10 overall in 2025.

Personally I've grown to really like the top-15 in this draft, so I'd be hoping that the Rangers pick ends up around #10 overall and they give it to the Penguins. Getting both Eklund and O'Brien would be amazing out of this draft and it's totally possible if the Penguins are picking #7 and #10 in the draft.

 

[Ryder71]

The Rangers finishing with a top-13 draft pick doesn't mean they won't give it to the Penguins. They can finish with say the 10th pick and decide they'd rather hold onto the 2026 pick over giving up #10 overall in 2025.

Personally I've grown to really like the top-15 in this draft, so I'd be hoping that the Rangers pick ends up around #10 overall and they give it to the Penguins. Getting both Eklund and O'Brien would be amazing out of this draft and it's totally possible if the Penguins are picking #7 and #10 in the draft.

If we somehow got both Eklund and O'Brien I'd be En Fuego! That would be an absolute best case scenario.

Not gonna happen though if this coach and his abomination of a goalie continue to push for meaningless wins.

 

[Ryder71]

Also if the Rags sink to 10th OA no way in hell they give that pick up.

 

[cygnus47]

We might be in the same spot as we are now, sitting 8th, but I can' see us hitting bottom 3 in the standings to where we have a realistic chance at McKenna.

We've added over the course of the year as much or more than we've subtracted.

Really depends on what Dubas does this offseason. If the young guys are in the lineup, we keep Raks and Ek and maybe an actual good player in UFA and we’ll be a bubble team again if Sid stays healthy. If we trade raks and ek we’ll be in contention for worst in the league. San Jose and Chicago will definitely improve next year.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Also if the Rags sink to 10th OA no way in hell they give that pick up.

We don't know that. The Rangers are primarily focused on making their team better, and an unprotected 2026 1st likely has more trade value than the #10 pick in 2025.

The same reason so many fans here want it to slip to 2026 (shot at McKenna) is why the Rangers would probably prefer to keep that pick and use it somewhere else.