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Adding youth to a veteran lineup is not taking a step back. It is improving your odds to win hockey games. This should have been happening back in 2018, and we are STILL the oldest or second-oldest team in the NHL.

This is not even debatable. When you are an older roster, you need youth surrounding it. And when you are a young roster, you need veteran support. It's called building a team.

A franchise that has won five Stanley Cups should know this, and yet here we are.
 
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I’m guessing the base of the lineup will look pretty close to this. Jarry bought out, Graves either bought out or buried in the AHL and Karlsson and Hayes traded with the remaining spots being filled with UFA. I won’t assume Acciari will be gone until he’s officially gone.
 
There's been talk here about offer sheeting Bourque from Dallas, but it looks like Blumel is an impending UFA. 24 yo and just scored 38 goals for Texas, caught in a numbers game in Dallas.

Why not just try to sign him to a one way 3 year deal for 1.5 mil per?
 
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I’m guessing the base of the lineup will look pretty close to this. Jarry bought out, Graves either bought out or buried in the AHL and Karlsson and Hayes traded with the remaining spots being filled with UFA. I won’t assume Acciari will be gone until he’s officially gone.


That team would have like 30 million in cap space. Also no reason Pickering isn’t in that line up. He should be with the big club next year ahead of someone like Shea. Shea sucks
 
Why are we adding Marner but then subtracting Karlsson? That makes zero sense. Even trading Rakell makes little sense if we are adding Marner. The only guy that makes sense would be trading Rust, since Marner would be taking that spot in the lineup. But we could do the sensible thing and move Rust down the lineup to actually have some top-9 forward balance for a change.

Dubas needs to stay clear of the Sullivan wish list, but I suspect he is not allowed to ignore it either. So that means Connor Dewar will be re-signed and inserted into a top-six winger role next to Malkin (because Sullivan); Matt Grzelcyk will be re-signed and stapled next to either Letang or Karlsson, even though he is the antithesis of what this team needs in a left defenseman right now. In fact, Mitch Marner could be the PP QB, which eliminates any reason to bring him back. But he is from Massachusetts, so welcome back Matt!

If Dubas can't continue to do what he has started to do because they will never fire the coach, then there is no point in any of this. And I seriously doubt Marner wants to play for Sullivan, too. And we won't be bad enough for McKenna dreams, either.

I just hope Dubas does not cave in and deal Karlsson. That is the one guy he clearly wanted, and he did not lose that trade. He just can't win it either because of his head coach. But if he trades him, he won't get much and he still has lots of game. He will have egg on his face for that one.

We are going to suck anyway, might as well have players who actually play entertaining hockey. F the head coach.
 
And they’d be stupid not to if they want to achieve the stated goal of competing as soon as possible in Sid’s remaining tenure…chances of hitting every traded player in a Washington-like retool is very difficult to achieve…they need multiple years of top 5 draft picks

So is landing the consensus #1 prospect. Only one team can land that guy, and have you come up with a plan when you don't?

The normal draft procedure is almost a decade long venture, and you can still end up a Chicago, Buffalo, San Jose or even an Oilers team.
 
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That team would have like 30 million in cap space. Also no reason Pickering isn’t in that line up. He should be with the big club next year ahead of someone like Shea. Shea sucks

I don’t think that changes much, that would just leave them with probably 8 defenseman on the roster and Shea as a healthy scratch. Not only that, but that also takes away a forward spot for a 13th forward that I figure you want for Hallander or Ponomarev.
 
Trying to prop up Geno at this stage where he should be dropped to 3C or a RW is dubious at best.

People trying to hold onto Geno as some force to coddle to is beyond stupid. He'll bring down Crosby's line, Rakell on Geno's line doesn't work, either.

This is all fantasy stuff people "HOPE" will work.

Geno turns 39 this summer.
 
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Why are we adding Marner but then subtracting Karlsson? That makes zero sense. Even trading Rakell makes little sense if we are adding Marner. The only guy that makes sense would be trading Rust, since Marner would be taking that spot in the lineup. But we could do the sensible thing and move Rust down the lineup to actually have some top-9 forward balance for a change.
Exactly. Now youre getting it.
 
Trying to prop up Geno at this stage where he should be dropped to 3C or a RW is dubious at best.

People trying to hold onto Geno as some force to coddle to is beyond stupid. He'll bring down Crosby's line, Rakell on Geno's line doesn't work, either.

This is all fantasy stuff people "HOPE" will work.

Geno turns 39 this summer.
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Geno - Sid - Marner

Sid and Marner do the heavy lifting and defensive work. Geno just needs to get into position to shoot.
 
I don’t think that changes much, that would just leave them with probably 8 defenseman on the roster and Shea as a healthy scratch. Not only that, but that also takes away a forward spot for a 13th forward that I figure you want for Hallander or Ponomarev.
Just don’t have shea on the team. Also that top pairing would be so awful.
 
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I’m guessing the base of the lineup will look pretty close to this. Jarry bought out, Graves either bought out or buried in the AHL and Karlsson and Hayes traded with the remaining spots being filled with UFA. I won’t assume Acciari will be gone until he’s officially gone.
I don't think you even need a FA there on the 3LW. I think you can safely give that to Hallander or Heinen or even anyone on that 4th line and insert Poulin. The other option is to do another Hayes/Glass type trade where you get paid to take someone on. With the rumors that the cap might not go up as much as recently thought, it could crunch a team or two. Dallas - could get Marchment depending on who they want to keep or resign and Seguins situation. I think Toronto would be excited to dump Jarnkrok or Kampf. Could get a guy like Robertson for free. I might target a guy like Luostarinen in exchange for a guy like Bemstrom or Puustinen - a proven capable producer but dirt cheap but you get space in exchange.
Why are we adding Marner but then subtracting Karlsson? That makes zero sense. Even trading Rakell makes little sense if we are adding Marner. The only guy that makes sense would be trading Rust, since Marner would be taking that spot in the lineup. But we could do the sensible thing and move Rust down the lineup to actually have some top-9 forward balance for a change.
It's one or the other. I don't think adding Marner is happening unless there's a sudden demand from Sid or something. If they do, they are keeping Karlsson. But you're right, if they aren't adding Marner and then trading Karlsson. I'd much prefer moving Karlsson after the signing bonus is paid, collect 1-2 new young players, tank and get another high pick, then restart/retool/reshape in 2027.
Trying to prop up Geno at this stage where he should be dropped to 3C or a RW is dubious at best.

People trying to hold onto Geno as some force to coddle to is beyond stupid. He'll bring down Crosby's line, Rakell on Geno's line doesn't work, either.

This is all fantasy stuff people "HOPE" will work.

Geno turns 39 this summer.
I couldn't agree more which is why I've been harping on finding the next 2C for this organization, whether draft or trade. The idea situation, IMHO is the one that has a top line of Malkin-Sid-Rust/Rakell and then a 2nd line anchored by a new, young 2C. OR if they want to keep Raks and Rust with Sid, you put Malkin on the wing of the 2nd line. If you want to "do right by Geno", you find a complementary wing that will play to Geno's strengths.
 
We are light years away from resembling a playoff team it's not even funny. It amazes me how so many just don't see it. We'd have to get Marner and a couple other guys to come in here, some of the kids to wow us beyond potentially what they are capable of and maybe offer sheet as effectively as the Blues did last year. I don't see all of that happening.

We just need to draft and develop well.
 
So is landing the consensus #1 prospect. Only one team can land that guy, and have you come up with a plan when you don't?

The normal draft procedure is almost a decade long venture, and you can still end up a Chicago, Buffalo, San Jose or even an Oilers team.
You have to be more realistic. If this team stays on it's current trajectory they can absolutely be a bottom five team next season. And that would afford us our best prospect in decades. No one really believes we're getting McKenna or Dupont. But in next years draft you can most certainly get a player that's a core piece for your franchise for 10-15 years. That'd be better than anyone we currently have in the system. We could potentially get a similar piece THIS season if we stopped winning meaningless games! Lose as much as possible. Avoid McQueen please with that 1st pick!
 
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