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In the meantime, feel free to join our Discord ServerThe problem is essentially every decision he made to give them one last run was the wrong one, and some people expect that he’s going to suddenly figure out how to make the right moves when it is needed despite all the data we have about his career being the opposite.Basically what everyone with a brain knew already with Dubi in season 1.
Even if he made better moves in summer '23, that team wasn't taking out Florida in a best of 7. So it doesn't bother me.The problem is essentially every decision he made to give them one last run was the wrong one, and some people expect that he’s going to suddenly figure out how to make the right moves when it is needed despite all the data we have about his career being the opposite.
Dubas interview starts at 26 mins. He confirms that his mandate was take one last run with the core in his first offseason and if that didn't work transition to a rebuild.
I don’t think anyone really thinks it would have. The point is he did a horrible job, yet people think he somehow is going to become a good GM now.Even if he made better moves in summer '23, that team wasn't taking out Florida in a best of 7. So it doesn't bother me.
Hextall did way too much damage for that.
Well he's won like 70-80% of the trades imo. Drafting well, by all appearances.I don’t think anyone really thinks it would have. The point is he did a horrible job, yet people think he somehow is going to become a good GM now.
It would have just been cool to at least avoid hand cuffing the team for the immediate future with bad contracts. Some of them very easily predictable.
My isssue is that he’s having the same problems that he did in Toronto: terrible goalie analysis, sticking by a coach clearly well past his expiration date, and generally overpaying guys on long term deals.Well he's won like 70-80% of the trades imo. Drafting well, by all appearances.
Just a question of chilling on the bad long term signings, and not catering to Sully's requests for trash bottom-sixers. If he does that, he can be a good GM.
I don't think anyone predicted Graves to be this poor. He was coming off a strong season. But yeah his term demands and the team's position didn't line up. Unnecessary risk.
Dubas interview starts at 26 mins. He confirms that his mandate was take one last run with the core in his first offseason and if that didn't work transition to a rebuild.
We don't know that firing Sully is even an option. FSG adore him. Dubas has already clarified that he had a mandate in year 1. We can't assume he has full autonomy now. It's more likely that he doesn't based on how much FSG interfere.My isssue is that he’s having the same problems that he did in Toronto: terrible goalie analysis, sticking by a coach clearly well past his expiration date, and generally overpaying guys on long term deals.
He hasn’t learned anything.
Will 100% agree on that one. Even when he fired him at the end of the season, Sullivan gave him hell over it.Not a lot of revisionist history in the absurdity of watching your season circle the drain almost solely due to a horrible PP and never even considering firing the coach in charge of it. That’s indefensible.
Friendly reminder that Todd Reirden is so respected that he’s still unemployed.
We will see on the rebuilding front. Positive progress has been made there. He may do a good job. Even if he does, I don’t have confidence that he will be able to build an actual contending team from that.We don't know that firing Sully is even an option. FSG adore him. Dubas has already clarified that he had a mandate in year 1. We can't assume he has full autonomy now. It's more likely that he doesn't based on how much FSG interfere.
I care a lot more about what he's doing with our goalie prospects than whatever we get out of our main goalies now. They weren't gonna change the course of anything.
Blomqvist got his chance this year, which I approve of. Murashov is being properly developed.
I still would rather have Dubas for a rebuild than a lot of other GM's. I don't think they woulda replenished this prospect pool as well, or fixed Wilkes to this extent.
And I don't think a replacement would draft better either.
Dallas would happily match that.Mavrik Bourque in DAL is another one.
A 4.5m cap hit for him would be one second round pick and I think that's worth it. I don't think Dallas will match that.
2 X 4.5M AAV is something I would do.
When no correct decision is possible, every decision is the wrong one.The problem is essentially every decision he made to give them one last run was the wrong one,
Of course, it’s not fair to criticize him like it wasn’t fair to criticize him in Toronto. It is always someone else or some mitigating factor’s fault. The man has never made a bad decision in his life. It’s just a coincidence that disappointment has followed him his entire career.When no correct decision is possible, every decision is the wrong one.
It has been, but it likely wouldn’t be if he just got rid of the damn coach.and I only say “almost” because I feel people don’t consider Karlsson a total failure.
the absolute worst part of the internet is how people who are very likely incompetent at their own job get to sit on their couch and act like all-knowing wizards at everyone else's job.The problem is essentially every decision he made to give them one last run was the wrong one, and some people expect that he’s going to suddenly figure out how to make the right moves when it is needed despite all the data we have about his career being the opposite.
Ah yes, personal insults, the sign of a truly stable and secure person.the absolute worst part of the internet is how people who are very likely incompetent at their own job get to sit on their couch and act like all-knowing wizards at everyone else's job.
'25-'26 ain't the year.Without a ton of cap space the issues on this club aren't going away. The thought of "one more time w.Sid" - folks aren't putting the roster ahead of that conversation. Say we get a good start:
- Sully gets fired. Preferably the morning after we're officially out of the playoffs (aren't we already?)
- We land Marner in FA
Great...what about goaltending? Vodoo? Sure...what about our D corps? Still have an absolutely WEAK top 6 forward group WITH Marner. Top line? Sure - Geno-Sid-Marner will get her done. If they bring in a 2C and keep one of Raks/Rust - you have the makings of an acceptable albeit not overly thrilling second line. And that's where we drop off of a cliff.
I love the idea and hate how putrid and uninspiring this club has been. It's genuinely a chore to watch 80-90% of the games (being generous) - so the games I DO turn in to, often fall flat. I'd rather win, always. Just seems practically impossible going forward...and certainly in Sid's 1C window. I think part of this logic is why folks don't buy "trying to go in or load up one more time"....how exactly? If that were even remotely the case why wouldn't you have been in on the Tarasenko's of yesteryear, Hall, etc? Zero top 6 help in Dubas' tenure and the construction of the D corps is ultra bad. Good thing we have....some of the worst goaltending too.
Yes, but there are also legitimately smart people who know what they’re talking about. That’s why I get frustrated when Dubas craps on the hockey internet community. Yes most are just venting without perspective, but also, they’re some smart people out there.the absolute worst part of the internet is how people who are very likely incompetent at their own job get to sit on their couch and act like all-knowing wizards at everyone else's job.
And? No possible decision that could have been made after the 2022-23 season could have made the Penguins into contenders again. Therefore, no correct decisions ('correct' being defined as a decision that would have turned the Penguins into a contender) could have been made.Lol "no correct decision is possible". This is not kobayashi maru or nuclear war. This is hockey.
Disappointment hasn't followed Dubas his entire career, so this is yet another incorrect claim that you've made.Of course, it’s not fair to criticize him like it wasn’t fair to criticize him in Toronto. It is always someone else or some mitigating factor’s fault. The man has never made a bad decision in his life. It’s just a coincidence that disappointment has followed him his entire career.
It’s doesn’t change anything though, because I do not care how well he follows his bosses’ orders but how well the hockey team performs under him.Yeah I think it was pretty obvious Dubas was given a “try one more time and then rebuild” mandate, but hearing it from him makes it pretty much a fact. That doesn’t change that a lot of his moves in the first year were dogshit, but it does explain why there was a quick pivot from that to rebuilding.
IMO he has done a good job overall dating back to when this team really started to rebuild with the Guentzel trade, but that doesn’t change that his first 6-9 months were absolutely atrocious. Adding Karlsson, Smith, Graves, Acciari and Nieto while re-signing Jarry was almost entirely a failure, and I only say “almost” because I feel people don’t consider Karlsson a total failure.
I am not asking that they become immediate contenders but lol at your zero sum theory thinking.And? No possible decision that could have been made after the 2022-23 season could have made the Penguins into contenders again