24 25 Salary Thread Crosbicles Volume Mmxxvii Retool over Time to Go for A Cup in 2026
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Dubas interview starts at 26 mins. He confirms that his mandate was take one last run with the core in his first offseason and if that didn't work transition to a rebuild.
Basically what everyone with a brain knew already with Dubi in season 1.
The problem is essentially every decision he made to give them one last run was the wrong one, and some people expect that he’s going to suddenly figure out how to make the right moves when it is needed despite all the data we have about his career being the opposite.
Even if he made better moves in summer '23, that team wasn't taking out Florida in a best of 7. So it doesn't bother me.
Hextall did way too much damage for that.
Yeah and when he says "transition to a rebuild", he means FSG are mandating that it's a quick turnaround. Scorched earth isn't allowed, even though that's what we need.
I don’t think anyone really thinks it would have. The point is he did a horrible job, yet people think he somehow is going to become a good GM now.
It would have just been cool to at least avoid hand cuffing the team for the immediate future with bad contracts. Some of them very easily predictable.
Well he's won like 70-80% of the trades imo. Drafting well, by all appearances.
Just a question of chilling on the bad long term signings, and not catering to Sully's requests for trash bottom-sixers. If he does that, he can be a good GM.
I don't think anyone predicted Graves to be this poor. He was coming off a strong season. But yeah his term demands and the team's position didn't line up. Unnecessary risk.
My isssue is that he’s having the same problems that he did in Toronto: terrible goalie analysis, sticking by a coach clearly well past his expiration date, and generally overpaying guys on long term deals.
He hasn’t learned anything.
Oh look at that, he told a bunch of HF yokels to f*** off at 35min.
Not a lot of revisionist history in the absurdity of watching your season circle the drain almost solely due to a horrible PP and never even considering firing the coach in charge of it. That’s indefensible.
Friendly reminder that Todd Reirden is so respected that he’s still unemployed.
Friendly reminder that Todd Reirden is so respected that he’s still unemployed.
We don't know that firing Sully is even an option. FSG adore him. Dubas has already clarified that he had a mandate in year 1. We can't assume he has full autonomy now. It's more likely that he doesn't based on how much FSG interfere.
I care a lot more about what he's doing with our goalie prospects than whatever we get out of our main goalies now. They weren't gonna change the course of anything.
Blomqvist got his chance this year, which I approve of. Murashov is being properly developed.
I still would rather have Dubas for a rebuild than a lot of other GM's. I don't think they woulda replenished this prospect pool as well, or fixed Wilkes to this extent.
And I don't think a replacement would draft better either.
Will 100% agree on that one. Even when he fired him at the end of the season, Sullivan gave him hell over it.
That's one of the core problems here. The corruption and nepotism has set in. They gotta break it.
We will see on the rebuilding front. Positive progress has been made there. He may do a good job. Even if he does, I don’t have confidence that he will be able to build an actual contending team from that.
Regardless, I’ve got a lot of pent up angry takes from 2 days of no HFboards posting.
edit: pics and gifs don’t work lol. What a quality operation we’ve got going on here.
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Dallas would happily match that.
They appear to not have much cap for next season, but appearances can deceive. A Tyler Seguin buyout is absurdly team-friendly. He must've had a lot of signing bonuses earlier in the contract.
When no correct decision is possible, every decision is the wrong one.
Lol "no correct decision is possible". This is not kobayashi maru or nuclear war. This is hockey.
My best educated guess is that the forum committed suicide when it read these kinds of posts. And we have brought it back to suffer anew.
My best educated guess is that the forum committed suicide when it read these kinds of posts. And we have brought it back to suffer anew.
Yeah I think it was pretty obvious Dubas was given a “try one more time and then rebuild” mandate, but hearing it from him makes it pretty much a fact. That doesn’t change that a lot of his moves in the first year were dogshit, but it does explain why there was a quick pivot from that to rebuilding.
IMO he has done a good job overall dating back to when this team really started to rebuild with the Guentzel trade, but that doesn’t change that his first 6-9 months were absolutely atrocious. Adding Karlsson, Smith, Graves, Acciari and Nieto while re-signing Jarry was almost entirely a failure, and I only say “almost” because I feel people don’t consider Karlsson a total failure.
IMO he has done a good job overall dating back to when this team really started to rebuild with the Guentzel trade, but that doesn’t change that his first 6-9 months were absolutely atrocious. Adding Karlsson, Smith, Graves, Acciari and Nieto while re-signing Jarry was almost entirely a failure, and I only say “almost” because I feel people don’t consider Karlsson a total failure.
I feel like "every decision made was the incorrect one" encompasses this entire team's identity from like June 2017 (Reaves trade) through when Jake was dealt.
Of course, it’s not fair to criticize him like it wasn’t fair to criticize him in Toronto. It is always someone else or some mitigating factor’s fault. The man has never made a bad decision in his life. It’s just a coincidence that disappointment has followed him his entire career.
It has been, but it likely wouldn’t be if he just got rid of the damn coach.
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the absolute worst part of the internet is how people who are very likely incompetent at their own job get to sit on their couch and act like all-knowing wizards at everyone else's job.
Ah yes, personal insults, the sign of a truly stable and secure person.
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'25-'26 ain't the year.
Targeting '26-'27. That's when guys we were paid to take on like Hayes and Heinen are off the books, and our younger guys will be more ready to contribute.
Yes, but there are also legitimately smart people who know what they’re talking about. That’s why I get frustrated when Dubas craps on the hockey internet community. Yes most are just venting without perspective, but also, they’re some smart people out there.
And? No possible decision that could have been made after the 2022-23 season could have made the Penguins into contenders again. Therefore, no correct decisions ('correct' being defined as a decision that would have turned the Penguins into a contender) could have been made.
Disappointment hasn't followed Dubas his entire career, so this is yet another incorrect claim that you've made.
(There was supposed to have been a photo of Dubas lifting the Calder Cup here, but the forum isn't loading photos right now.)
It’s doesn’t change anything though, because I do not care how well he follows his bosses’ orders but how well the hockey team performs under him.
I do not care in the slightest how well FSG’s bottom line does. I care about the product he puts on the ice and that has been abysmal. We have made some steps in the right direction, but until we have an entertaining product, he has failed, IMO.
Again, I’m not saying there has to be cups here, but hockey is entertainment first and foremost and if a team is boring, it is a failure, plain and simple.
I am not asking that they become immediate contenders but lol at your zero sum theory thinking.
