Salary Cap: 24-'25 Salary Thread: Crosbicles Volume MMXXVII: Retool over! Time to go for a cup in 2026!
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Somehow drafting Misa this season, he heads to the NCAA and then joins the team for the stretch run next season woud be unreal.
McGroarty2
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Trade EK and Rakell and spare parts/picks, obtain a young D and 3C. Sign Marner, run...
McGroarty Crosby Marner
Hallander Malkin Rust
Novak 3C Tomasino
Lizotte Ponomarev Poulin
Dewar
CheckingLineCenter
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Yeah lmao. Those Fs with washed Letang and a bunch of nobodies on D, as well as Ned in cage… is a trash team
Do think you can still tank with MM
however agree it’s pretty illogical to expect him to sign here so whatever.
Sidgeni Malkby
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What's interesting is without the pressure to win-win-win, we can actually try stuff. I still feel bad of all the prime years, of our core, that Byslma wasted. The Sully wasted more of them.
Anyhow....
For Marner...
The timing *may* not be ideal.
- 5 years ago? if Marner was a 27 UFA, then yes.
- A year from now? We would have evidence and key pieces in a rebuild, and people in the system that could excite Marner of the possibilities.
- This summer? Is our low point (fans hope), with no clear view of if it actually is the low point. I don't know if Marner wants to hedge the rest of his career on uncertainty. The only X-factor is Dubas' relationship with Marner. If their relationship was strong, Dubas could potentially convince Marner to come here.
I'm excited about the idea though
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Anyhow....
For Marner...
The timing *may* not be ideal.
- 5 years ago? if Marner was a 27 UFA, then yes.
- A year from now? We would have evidence and key pieces in a rebuild, and people in the system that could excite Marner of the possibilities.
- This summer? Is our low point (fans hope), with no clear view of if it actually is the low point. I don't know if Marner wants to hedge the rest of his career on uncertainty. The only X-factor is Dubas' relationship with Marner. If their relationship was strong, Dubas could potentially convince Marner to come here.
I'm excited about the idea though
.Assuming Karlsson is traded:
Marner is a pipe dream but getting something like
Ehlers 7X 7M
Suter 3X 3M
Orlov 3X 6M
Perbix/Fabbro 2X 2.85M
Rakell - Crosby - Rust
McGroarty - Malkin - Ehlers
Novak - Suter - Tomasino
Lizotte - Ponomarev - Heinen/Hayes
Orlov - Letang
Pickering - Perbix/Fabbro
Kolyanook/Graves - Timmons
Only really commit to one long term deal. Pius Suter is someone who can play up and down the line-up.
Hopefully draft one of Misa/Hagens and he takes over 2C at some point.
Koivenen is waiting in the wings to be called up.
IcedCapp
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This makes Dubas seem like even a bigger idiot than I thought lol…
www.nytimes.com
In sum,
No interest in trading Rakell
No interest in trading Rust July 1 though teams are lining up
Isn’t interested in getting as high a draft pick as possible even for McKenna
What I’m hearing about the Penguins’ trade deadline execution and future
The Penguins will be a very interesting team to monitor this summer.
www.nytimes.com
In sum,
No interest in trading Rakell
No interest in trading Rust July 1 though teams are lining up
Isn’t interested in getting as high a draft pick as possible even for McKenna
Empoleon8771
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"Dubas doesn’t want to strip the Penguins to the studs because he’s seen what has happened in places like Chicago and San Jose and isn’t interested in plummeting to those depths. Sure, he’d like to get the No. 1 pick in June’s draft, and he’d really like it next year, when generational prospect Gavin McKenna almost certainly will be the top pick. But Dubas isn’t going to tank. If the ping-pong balls bounce the right way, fantastic. He believes in rebuilding more along the lines of the Capitals, not the Blackhawks."
I mean he's right tho. I don't know that I agree with this "we'll compete before Rakell's deal is done" idea, but I agree with him in not doing a Chicago style rebuild.
The main point Yohe made there that caught my attention is that Dubas will start becoming aggressive to add players to the team. So it looks like they'll have basically 2 years of tanking/rebuilding and then trying to shift to win now.
I mean he's right tho. I don't know that I agree with this "we'll compete before Rakell's deal is done" idea, but I agree with him in not doing a Chicago style rebuild.
The main point Yohe made there that caught my attention is that Dubas will start becoming aggressive to add players to the team. So it looks like they'll have basically 2 years of tanking/rebuilding and then trying to shift to win now.
Empoleon8771
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I think a fairly likely path forward is:
1. Karlsson traded this off-season, with him retained down to $7 million or so
2. Rakell-Crosby-Rust is kept as the top line until Crosby retires.
3. They spend 2025-2026 as another rebuilding year, with them hopefully having 2 1sts in 2026 from their own plus the Karlsson trade.
4. They start getting very aggressive with adding NHL talent in the 2026 off-season, with using McGroarty, Brunicke, Koivunen and their 4 1sts between 2025 and 2026 as the new "core" they intend on building around.
I'm not sure if this is a great idea, because I'm not sure you'll be able to throw together the young core needed to truly make a contender, but it seems like this is the plan. Personally I'd rather them add an extra year or two of rebuilding if this is their idea.
1. Karlsson traded this off-season, with him retained down to $7 million or so
2. Rakell-Crosby-Rust is kept as the top line until Crosby retires.
3. They spend 2025-2026 as another rebuilding year, with them hopefully having 2 1sts in 2026 from their own plus the Karlsson trade.
4. They start getting very aggressive with adding NHL talent in the 2026 off-season, with using McGroarty, Brunicke, Koivunen and their 4 1sts between 2025 and 2026 as the new "core" they intend on building around.
I'm not sure if this is a great idea, because I'm not sure you'll be able to throw together the young core needed to truly make a contender, but it seems like this is the plan. Personally I'd rather them add an extra year or two of rebuilding if this is their idea.
I genuinely believe he wants to be in the playoffs within the next 2 seasons to get Sid one last playoff appearance.
He'll add in free agency, turn some of the picks into an established player or two and keep developing the guys we have and hope McGroarty/Koivenen/Pickering/Ponomarev are all NHL contributors within the next 2 seasons. And they pick in the top 4 this year and have the draft pick become a contributor pretty soon too.
The big questions are on the back-end and in goal. It starts with moving Karlsson and then rebuilding the back-end
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Marner is resigning with the Leafs. Talking about signing him here is just fun fantasy talk that fills the gap.
Marchand will be an interesting situation come the off-season. If he does well in Florida and they go on a run, I could see them bringing him back for cheap. He's made plenty of money. Signing a 1x1 to live in Florida and play on a contender sounds alright to me. Boston offered him a 2yr extension worth $3mil per year which, seems a bit low but it would be decent for both sides. I just don't have a good read on whether or not this was a "turn the page" move for Boston similar to what Chicago did with Toews and Kane or if they are open to having him back (with mutual interest).
I don't know if I'd offer $10mil per year but if was willing to do a 2yr x $4-5mil, I'd be down with that. I think Marchand-Sid-Rust would be a fun line to watch nightly and would give both of those old dudes someone to right into the sunset with. If winning again was his focus, he'd be smart to do something like a 1yr x $3mil deal with the Penguins, play with Sid and rack up the points, and then see who the contenders are next year and work a deal with Dubas to go to one of them.
This team is going to be trash for awhile. Not only do we not have any young star talents but other teams are getting better as well. I do think MM+Sid would keep us from bottom in the league which is problematic for next year.
KrisLetAngry
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Yea it was just posturing.I find it funny that Nill said "how would I afford Karlsson at $11.5 million?" when asked about it and then he trades for Rantanen and pays him $12 million a year
Agreed
In a vacuum yes he won.
Those 1sts going to be 20s and if I am the Canes I'd want Necas and Drury over Stankoven during the next few cup runs.
If they kept Stank and flipped 21sts + for a rental or long term player that fits the needs then they would have done even better in my eyes.
Metro is wide open and they got worse this year.
DesertedPenguin
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This is what caught my attention, too. It's the first time a reporter - not one of us schlubs on a message board - has detailed anything remotely close to a timeline.
It's Yohe, so who knows if it's on point. But it does track with what some of us have been talking about.
Pending free agent forwards of note at the end of the 2025-26 season, besides Malkin:
- Connor McDavid
- Kyle Connor
- Jack Eichel
- Martin Necas
- Artemi Panarin
- Jason Robertson (RFA/arbitration eligible)
- Adrian Kempe
- Kirill Kaprizov
- Connor McMichael (RFA/arbitration)
- Lane Hutson (RFA)
- William Eklund (RFA)
HandshakeLine
A real jerk thing
The free agent class is never any good though. Actual franchise players don’t go to UFA, so why would be looking for aid there?
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We've also seen tanks not go a team's way. Buffalo more or less went all in on the tank for McDavid and came away with 2nd OV. Eichel was a hell of a consolation prize but it should remind us that 1st ov are never guaranteed. So with that in mind, it makes sense that he would say "well, if we get it great but that's not the blueprint we are depending on." Now that could also be GM speak because I think 32 of 32 GMs would avoid saying "we are going to tank for 1st overall picks for the next 3 years".
The only caveat for us might be the pure fact that the team he can put together with the roster and assets he has just won't be very good. I think it's tougher than people think to add impact young players. I don't know of any of them that are available with what we have (sans our 1sts) that is going to significantly impact the standings next year. Some of the studs we were talking about - Clarke, Peterka, etc - while they would nice adds, that isn't taking us to the playoffs. Especially with Nedeljkovich and Blomqvist in goal. But honestly, that's a good thing.
I don't think "bringing in young players" and "being bad to get high picks naturally" are mutually exclusive endeavors.
You don't. You need to draft franchise players and complement them as needed through UFA. You find top 6 wings and a 2nd pairing dmen in FA. Not 1Cs and top pairing guys.
All rosters have a nice mix of signings and trades but the franchise player is 99% of the time drafted.
DesertedPenguin
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Normally I'd agree with you.
However, with the rapidly escalating cap ceiling, I think you may see a push from players (and especially agents) to test the market to see just how much they can make.
No, he’s not really right…Dubas saying he wants to do it like the Caps is silly because we’re past that time…we didn’t keep or hit on any first round picks…at the time we were drafting Poulin, the Caps drafted McMichael who’s playing in the NHL…unfortunately our drafting and development has sucked…so no, too late to do a Caps retool, which also requires hitting on all your free agents, which Dubas has certainly not done well …the Pens best hope, as you even suggest and which is contrary to Yohe’s stated opinion, is that we absolutely bottom out the next couple years, hopefully get some really great top six and top 4 talent in here, and then start working free agency
Empoleon8771
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I think snagging Jason Robertson with an offersheet is a possibility with the Stars signing Rantanen. UFAs I agree, but I think the RFA talk there could be interesting.
CheckingLineCenter
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He’ll be 26 in July though…I like him but he’s too old imo for our window to be throwing out first round picks or good prospects for
Empoleon8771
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I don't think this team views EK as a part of the solution to build a contending team. And with how flawed he is defensively, I have a hard time disagreeing. His contract is also up after 2026-2027 and I'm not really feeling like re-signing him based on what he has shown so far.
CheckingLineCenter
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Eh he’s like our best player analytically
He’d be good on a good team. We just saw it at the 4 Nations.
I don’t see how you can possibly replace him in a year. If you’re trying to be good. And I legit think the return will be like what Marchand got, maybe worse.
Just not worth it if that’s their plan.
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I tend to agree. While I'm not down on offersheets, I think the max we can offer in the coming years is $2.29mil this year (because we don't own our 2nd) and $4.5mil in the next two-three because we do own our 2nds but I don't believe we should be giving out our 1sts.
I think the better route would be "hey GM, we want to offer sheet this person but we'll give you the picks instead plus something extra."
Empoleon8771
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I don't think you can't contend with Karlsson, I just don't think you can contend with Karlsson as your #1 defenseman. If you had a legit #1D to anchor the top pair and have a stable DFD with Karlsson, I think it could completely work. The Penguins just don't have that, though.
An interesting though to throw out, though. Rasmus Andersson is a UFA after next year that has been rumored to be in trade talks at different times. I have no clue how the money would realistically work, but Andersson taking over the #1D role and making a Pickering-Karlsson 2nd pair could work. Issue is I have no clue how they can spend that kind of money on Andersson, Karlsson and Letang. But if you could move Letang and you somehow luck into Schaefer in the draft this year, I could think of a lot worse top-4 D groups than:
Schaefer-Andersson
Pickering-Karlsson
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