Salary Cap: '24-'25 Salary Thread: Crosbicles Volume MMXXVI: Sid is Still Goat

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Right now it seems like the winger market is being held up by Rantanen. Teams won't move on Rakell until his situation is resolved. Carolina needs to figure out their shit asap

Sure, but I'm assuming teams have been in contact and there are baseline offers laid out. It's just a matter of them also keeping an eye on Rantanen and circling back if he's off the table either by trade or Carolina keeping him.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Chris Johnston on his show:

-LA and Utah are among teams in on Rakell
-LA was in on Rantanen initially, but they backed off due to the bidding war
-Penguins are comfortable keeping Schenn if they don't get a good offer, they didn't survey the trade market for him before acquiring him
-Penguins don't really want picks, they want young players. CJ notes that Rakell would be available with that target in mind, they're not interested in a guy that will take 3-5 years to get here.
-Beauvillier, Grzelcyk and Schenn are guys that CJ mentions are trade candidates

I still think that Rakell for Clarke makes by far the most sense with each team.

 

[pensfan71]

Chris Johnston on his show:

-LA and Utah are among teams in on Rakell
-LA was in on Rantanen initially, but they backed off due to the bidding war
-Penguins are comfortable keeping Schenn if they don't get a good offer, they didn't survey the trade market for him before acquiring him
-Penguins don't really want picks, they want young players. CJ notes that Rakell would be available with that target in mind, they're not interested in a guy that will take 3-5 years to get here.
-Beauvillier, Grzelcyk and Schenn are guys that CJ mentions are trade candidates

I still think that Rakell for Clarke makes by far the most sense with each team.

So basically if we get Clarke for Rakell, we move Schenn. If not we keep him. I mean fair enough I guess

 

[Empoleon8771]

So basically if we get Clarke for Rakell, we move Schenn. If not we keep him. I mean fair enough I guess

I don't think those two are related. They'll move Schenn if they get a good return for him.

Karlsson's assuredly gone after the season so I figure that Clarke slides into his role after the year, if he is acquired that is.

 

[eXile3]

Chris Johnston on his show:

-LA and Utah are among teams in on Rakell
-LA was in on Rantanen initially, but they backed off due to the bidding war
-Penguins are comfortable keeping Schenn if they don't get a good offer, they didn't survey the trade market for him before acquiring him
-Penguins don't really want picks, they want young players. CJ notes that Rakell would be available with that target in mind, they're not interested in a guy that will take 3-5 years to get here.
-Beauvillier, Grzelcyk and Schenn are guys that CJ mentions are trade candidates

I still think that Rakell for Clarke makes by far the most sense with each team.

That’s more in the mold of what Washington did and I can support. High pick, not getting used right that a new setting and usage could help.

 

[pensfan71]

Bro just say no to them so we can move on ffs

 

[Malkinstheman]

For the last year the media guys keep saying that Dubas is prioritizing NHL ready players but that hasn't really been the case. The Guentzel trade was futures heavy, same thing with Eller and Pettersson. Other than the Tomasino trade, they have yet to get a guy back that is ready to step in right away.

Koivunen has been the closest to that be has spent the entire year in the AHL and it's up in the air how quickly he can contribute in the NHL (if at all).

 

[Empoleon8771]

That’s more in the mold of what Washington did and I can support. High pick, not getting used right that a new setting and usage could help.

Yeah CJ talked about the Penguins rebuild and said "we haven't really seen anyone try to rebuild like this", but I think he forgot about Washington. Pittsburgh is trying to have a rebuild more similar to Washington, although I think the Penguins have already sold more than Washington did.

They want to acquire 20-24 year old prospects/young NHLers that can play either now or in the near term. Rakell for Clarke fits that entirely and I bet that's probably what Dubas is hoping for from LA.

 

[TimmyD]

And that’s why they haven’t won a Cup…

Maybe… but them watching the prized asset they traded for last year walk in free agency isn’t going to make them more likely to keep another prized asset they acquired when he has made it known he’s not sticking around.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

I think part of it is he may want it but not get it. Logically what contending team is moving cheap talent that could be in the lineup within a year?

For instance Willander or Lekkerimaki are probably worth the same as that NYR 1st in a vacuum but if the Canucks want to compete and spend to the cap, why would they move one of those two vs the pick?

 

[Lust for Life]

Are there any concrete rumors of Clarke being available?

 

[Jag68Sid87]

I am far more interested in dumping Grz, Beauvillier and Acciari (and more if possible) at this time than any of the big blockbuster talk. Even if it's for players coming back, this roster needs to change. Novak and Schenn is not enough. Kolyachonok is not enough.

I just hope more teams decide to hang onto their players, because at some point contenders will need to find Dubas's number.

It feels like our available players are the last resort for many.

 

[Empoleon8771]

For the last year the media guys keep saying that Dubas is prioritizing NHL ready players but that hasn't really been the case. The Guentzel trade was futures heavy, same thing with Eller and Pettersson. Other than the Tomasino trade, they have yet to get a guy back that is ready to step in right away.

Koivunen has been the closest to that be has spent the entire year in the AHL and it's up in the air how quickly he can contribute in the NHL (if at all).

He may just not have gotten an opportunity to use those assets like that yet, though. It may be that he doesn't view the pick as 100% a pick he's going to use, but rather a potential trade chip that they can target young players with that can also just be a draft pick and give them a prospect.

What he's trying to do isn't particularly easy because NHL teams are very guarded with their top prospects and young NHLers. Acquiring a 1st for Pettersson now, which can possibly be used as a trade chip down the line, is better than holding out for that top young prospect/player and risk not pulling anything off.

Are there any concrete rumors of Clarke being available?

Yes

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I think part of it is he may want it but not get it. Logically what contending team is moving cheap talent that could be in the lineup within a year?

For instance Willander or Lekkerimaki are probably worth the same as that NYR 1st in a vacuum but if the Canucks want to compete and spend to the cap, why would they move one of those two vs the pick?

Picks are more universal currency, I guess. Same reason Rakell *has* to be dealt imo. He's not a bad player, and you might not be getting back the final asset(s), but you ideally get a 1st+, then make the decision to make the pick or deal it for something to help more quickly than like 2030.

 

[pensfan71]

I'd love to somehow get Marat from Minny

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

I want LAs ‘26 first with reduced protection and Turcotte. Would be an overpay but hopefully Rob Blake makes it.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I think part of it is he may want it but not get it. Logically what contending team is moving cheap talent that could be in the lineup within a year?

For instance Willander or Lekkerimaki are probably worth the same as that NYR 1st in a vacuum but if the Canucks want to compete and spend to the cap, why would they move one of those two vs the pick?

Yeah and that's why I don't think people should say "he hasn't done it yet so he doesn't want to do it". Especially with the MP trade, Vancouver could easily justify giving up that 1st rounder for Pettersson because it wasn't their 1st round pick, it was the Rangers' 1st round pick. I can't remember where I read it, but I've read comments that teams view any picks that aren't their own much less than their own picks. It's much easier to get that 1st from Vancouver than get a young near NHL ready player from Vancouver.

I know it didn't go well for LA when they did this, but the hope should be that Dubas can take advantage of situations like PLD a few years ago when he was a young RFA that didn't want to extend in Winnipeg. Speaking of what could happen this off-season, you're hoping that a guy like Peterka doesn't want to extend and his team trades his rights for futures. That NYR 1st could then be used as a part of that package to pull off a young player like Peterka. And if you can't do that, oh well just use the pick on a prospect and move forward with that prospect.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

The biggest difference between what we are doing and what the Capitals did is behind the bench. EVERYTHING changed for the Capitals when they got rid of their old, set-in-his-ways coach who is past the expiration date and went with a complete newcomer. One that knew the organization from the past, but a huge gamble that has paid off.

They also kept their first-round picks far more than we did and have developed their players way better than what we are currently doing.

But it is all related to what happens behind the bench.

 

[sovietsanta87]

Bro just say no to them so we can move on ffs

This whole saga with rantanen is annoying as f***. Our situation aside, he’s acting like a child.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

I want LAs ‘26 first with reduced protection and Turcotte. Would be an overpay but hopefully Rob Blake makes it.

That is not an overpay, that is not enough vis-a-vis the current sellers' market.

That is a deal you can easily get this summer.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

That is not an overpay, that is not enough vis-a-vis the current sellers' market.

That is a deal you can easily get this summer.

Ok

 

[WheresRamziAbid]

This whole saga with rantanen is annoying as f***. Our situation aside, he’s acting like a child.

How is he acting like a child?

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I don't blame Rantanen for his indecisiveness tbh. Dude probably expected to be an Av for life, playing alongside MacKinnon, and now he's gotta quick review his options and decide whether he wants to sign what essentially amounts to a retirement contract with the Canes, or some other teams who have only really cropped up in the discussion in the past couple weeks.

Ok

Jags has terminal Pens homer brain. Nothing's ever enough for any of our guys, and they shouldn't be dealt anyway because this team's a couple small tweaks away from a deep playoff run.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I wouldn't trade Rakell for purely picks at the deadline, I would demand that the return includes at least one effective young NHLer. Turcotte from LA would be about the lowest I'd consider but I would take him as that piece. If it's Turcotte and a 1st for Rakell, I'd plan on trying to move that 1st for a young player as well, but I'd demand that a young player is included in the Rakell trade.

This sounds weird, but Rakell is too valuable of a trade chip to not get back a notable asset that is what you're looking for. If the package Rakell returns is two 1sts but you don't really want the 2 1sts, I don't think you should take it just because it's "good value". Using LA, you basically need to pull off an asset like Turcotte, Greentree or Clarke in the deal for me to pull the trigger on it.

 

[BusinessGoose]

We're out on Clarke per a Sullivan Google search:

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