Salary Cap: '24-'25 Salary Thread: Crosbicles Volume MMXXVI: Sid is Still Goat

[Gurglesons]

But you can't jump on any old offer because you're convinced he's gonna regress either.

I don't think anyone is saying that.

Just get a 1st for Rakell and move on.

 

[SEALBound]

I rarely if ever bring up Ron Hextall.

Every week I see someone on Penguins twitter saying "if only we didn't trade Mike Matheson", because similar to HFPens, most Penguins fans have no idea what the hell is happening outside of Western PA.

There is not a person on this board that is buying what you're selling right now.

More hilariously, what I said went right over your head, proving (in real-time) my point.

Thank you.

Re: what you post - every bit of it is irrelevant.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

The Winnipeg article says; Perfetti untouchable, Salomonsson untouchable, Lambert essentially untouchable (would take "a great player on a great contract"), Yager essentially untouchable.

For those without access.

"We're an organization that's never won a Cup with the best chance we've ever had at a long playoff run, but our 4 best prospects are untouchable in deadline trades".

 

[Gurglesons]

There is not a person on this board that is buying what you're selling right now.

More hilariously, what I said went right over your head, proving (in real-time) my point.

Thank you.

Re: what you post - every bit of it is irrelevant.

If I cared what the majority of the regulars on HFPens thought about my posts, my life would be a much sadder existence than it already is.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

I don't think anyone is saying that.

Just get a 1st for Rakell and move on.

A late 1st in this draft for Rakell is a shit deal, and I bet if/when he's dealt he'll return more.

 

[Gurglesons]

A late 1st in this draft for Rakell is a shit deal, and I bet if/when he's dealt he'll return more.

Any 1sts are great deals for PIT right now. Just because it's a bad draft doesn't mean you can't hit on NHLers that are young.

You can easily get a similar impact to Rakell by playing a player in his minutes.

Some of us said the same things last year with Jake that we would be able to put a winger with Sid and get "similar" impacts.

Jake had a 36 goal pace and 85 pt pace last year.

Rakell has a 37 goal pace and 69 pt pace this year.

Send out Rakell for a 1st and whatever cap dump comes our way. Pay a 2nd or a 3rd for Maccelli. Plug him into the line up with Sid and do the same thing in a year or two.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I'd be a bit underwhelmed with just getting a 2025 1st back for Rakell, but any sort of 1st for Rakell is worth it. He's not the kind of guy that's going to bring back a 1st going forward, so even if it's a 2025 1st, you take advantage of selling him now.

You're not getting a better return for Rakell by holding onto him. Even if he has a good 30-30 year next year, that's not bringing back a 1st.

 

[SEALBound]

If I cared what the majority of the regulars on HFPens thought about my posts, my life would be a much sadder existence than it already is.

The extent to which you let a couple moves by Kyle Dubas affect your life and online persona makes it sad enough already, I think we can all say.

 

[Gurglesons]

I'd be a bit underwhelmed with just getting a 2025 1st back for Rakell, but any sort of 1st for Rakell is worth it. He's not the kind of guy that's going to bring back a 1st going forward, so even if it's a 2025 1st, you take advantage of selling him now.

You're not getting a better return for Rakell by holding onto him.

The advantage is getting out of his contract for any value. I'm not sure why people think he's going to suddenly improve on a career season at 32.

The extent to which you let a couple moves by Kyle Dubas affect your life and online persona makes it sad enough already, I think we can all say.

I'm a Penguins fan.

Why would hiring a numbskull like Kyle Dubas who hasn't had any success in his career not make me upset?

I think you think I care about HFboards way more than I do lol.

 

[SEALBound]

I'd be a bit underwhelmed with just getting a 2025 1st back for Rakell, but any sort of 1st for Rakell is worth it. He's not the kind of guy that's going to bring back a 1st going forward, so even if it's a 2025 1st, you take advantage of selling him now.

You're not getting a better return for Rakell by holding onto him.

If you get a 2025 1st back and we luck into the NYR 25 1st, that would be three. I would be trying to move that 14th/15th OV up to 10th or so if there's a guy like Eklund, Desnoyers, or even McQueen available.

The ideal situation would be 2 1sts in the next three drafts with 1 coming from Rakell and the other from EK.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

He's also 32. Remember how we gave up a great player in Kessel according to you and then he proceeded to be such complete dog shit he was out of the league at 35.

I get it when you're talking Sid, Malkin, or Letang.

But not trading Rakell is legitimate lunancy. He is never going to have this value again. We can easily replace his impact on the team with a UFA or trade. Maccelli in Utah is probably a player we can get for a 2nd. And then do the whole thing over again.

Remember how we never replaced his contributions and haven't won a playoff round since?

I agree we should trade Rakell. I just don't think its hair on fire important that we do it at the deadline. Ideally its before next season, but that's not the end of the world either.

Any 1sts are great deals for PIT right now. Just because it's a bad draft doesn't mean you can't hit on NHLers that are young.

You can easily get a similar impact to Rakell by playing a player in his minutes.

Some of us said the same things last year with Jake that we would be able to put a winger with Sid and get "similar" impacts.

Jake had a 36 goal pace and 85 pt pace last year.

Rakell has a 37 goal pace and 69 pt pace this year.

Send out Rakell for a 1st and whatever cap dump comes our way. Pay a 2nd or a 3rd for Maccelli. Plug him into the line up with Sid and do the same thing in a year or two.

That's underselling him. And a 16 point swing for a player's contributions is pretty considerable.

 

[Ulf5]

But you can't jump on any old offer because you're convinced he's gonna regress either.

With so many teams still in the race, the offers should be somewhat strong for Rakell. Starting with a 1st then a solid, not spectacular, prospect would be the minimum imo. Depending on the amount of teams bidding there's a chance it could go higher. Maybe a little better prospect or another pick thrown in such as a 3rd.

 

[Gurglesons]

Remember how we never replaced his contributions and haven't won a playoff round since?

I agree we should trade Rakell. I just don't think its hair on fire important that we do it at the deadline. Ideally its before next season, but that's not the end of the world either.

Neither did he. Unless you want to include him being a scratch on Vegas.

That's underselling him. And a 16 point swing for a player's contributions is pretty considerable.

Why should we care about that when our goal is allegedly "rebuilding" according to every Penguins fan?

 

[SEALBound]

I'm a Penguins fan.

Why would hiring a numbskull like Kyle Dubas who hasn't had any success in his career not make me upset?

I think you think I care about HFboards way more than I do lol.

I think it's fair to say that every single person here has been livid with a GM over some move they've made. I hate the Gudbranson trade and Kapanen trade by JR. I hated the Matheson and Marino trades by Hextall. I hated the Jarry, Graves, and Acciari signing by Dubas.

The difference between people like me (and about the other 98% here) and you (and one or two other dolts) is that I don't base my new personality around one of them and make it my mission to pollute a discussion board with garbage posts that add no value other than to remind people how mad I am about it.

You're probably a "Penguins fan" that we could do without.

 

[Empoleon8771]

But you can't jump on any old offer because you're convinced he's gonna regress either.

Rakell is shooting 17.2% this year, which is about 6% over his career average.

With his career average shooting%, he'd be at 19 goals and 43 points in 62 games. That's a pace of 25 goals and 57 points per 82 games, which is essentially what his career average is as well (24 goals and 52 points per 82 games).

It is very obvious that Rakell's performance this year is not sustainable in the long run. He the same 25 goal, 55 point winger that's just getting good puck luck this year. That's why you sell high on him, because he's most likely reverting back to that 25 goal, 55 point winger next year.

 

[Ulf5]

Cam Robinson dropping Friedge Bombs.

 

[Andy99]

Cam Robinson dropping Friedge Bombs.

Trade him to the Pens for Rakell or EK!

 

[Gurglesons]

With so many teams still in the race, the offers should be somewhat strong for Rakell. Starting with a 1st then a solid, not spectacular, prospect would be the minimum imo. Depending on the amount of teams bidding there's a chance it could go higher. Maybe a little better prospect or another pick thrown in such as a 3rd.

I think the goal would be to move him for a package that is a 1st and either involves a "younger" player like Trevor Moore or access assets that you can flip for a "younger" player like Maccelli.

That gives you another winger heading into next year, an additional 1st, and like additional cap space to add in someone more effective than dorks like Beau, Hayes and Gryz that you can flip.

Cam Robinson dropping Friedge Bombs.

If WyJo accepts this deal he is a legitimate moron lol.

 

[Kasperi kapanen]

Dubas is going to overplay his hand I just know it. If Rakell is not held out of the lineup tomorrow that should tell you all you need to know.

 

[Victor Z]

You don't like POJ on the first pairing?

I love him there -- if the objective is to tank as hard as possible.

 

[Ulf5]

Dubas is going to overplay his hand I just know it. If Rakell is not held out of the lineup tomorrow that should tell you all you need to know.

I can't keep hitting F5 til Friday damn it.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

You're f***ing psychotic if you're not working the phones hard to try and move Rakell and EK (with retention). Still think an EK deal has to wait until the off season but man, you have to give it a real shot by TDL.

Has little to do with not wanting to vs teams knowing the cap situation right now for a contract like EK and the willingness of FSG allowing Dubas to retain that long.

Also there's the little where Rakell is desperately needed to keep Sid's line from being absolute shit. They should be trying to dump:

Beauvillier
Desharnais
Gryz
Nedeljkovic
Glass
Hayes
Lizotte
Acciari
Rust

To get picks whether late or not and some maybe reclamation projects to play the rest of the season with call ups and then fire Sullivan's stupid ass after the season and do a proper youth infusion with a coach that understands how to guide young players and manage a lineup.

Blokes like Jarry, Graves, etc are not movable. Hell I'd even wait to buy them out until a new coach has a full off season with them and a couple of months of the season. At worst you just demote their asses again and buy them out the following summer, doesn't hurt the team at all.

That should be the only plan right now. Get picks, use picks at the draft to move up or move out players or sweeten the pot for a better young player swap etc and dump as many vets as you can at the TDL.

I'd use the retention slot on Hayes. Next yr they get 2 back anyway. Then Hayes is off the books for retention the following off season. A team might take on Hayes at 1.5m less per, as depth and give up a 2nd or 3rd.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Pens get a decent young option on Kolyachonok and Sullivan plays Graves instead. The excuses blokes make for Sullivan being forced to play these awful choices like he doesn't have better ones when he does will never not be f***ing comical.

He was claimed off waivers Feb 8th. Since Feb 8th to now, the Pens have played 6 games not including the day he was claimed.

Dumbest f***ing coach in the league.

 

[Ulf5]

Harding's contract doesn't start until next year, so it slides. I don't think they can do that with Hayes.

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[Dennis Reynolds]

Pens get a decent young option on Kolyachonok and Sullivan plays Graves instead. The excuses blokes make for Sullivan being forced to play these awful choices like he doesn't have better ones when he does will never not be f***ing comical.

He was claimed off waivers Feb 8th. Since Feb 8th to now, the Pens have played 6 games not including the day he was claimed.

Dumbest f***ing coach in the league.

You don't understand.

Graves got an assist the other day.

Gotta ride that hot streak out to see where it goes.