Salary Cap: '24-'25 Salary Thread: Crosbicles Volume MMXXVI: Sid is Still Goat

[CheckingLineCenter]

Jack Quinn seems more like the kind of guy we'd be targeting from Buffalo.

you just know Wes Clark is drooling over an OHL alum he can look smart for targeting in a deal

 

[Gurglesons]

PLD is absolutely not going to be a Selke finalist. He's not worth $8.5 million.

He's the best top six defensive forward on the best team in the league.

 

[Empoleon8771]

He's the best top six defensive forward on the best team in the league.

He also doesn't kill penalties, doesn't have a reputation as a good defensive forward and is probably outshined by Protas on his own team defensively.

He might get Selke votes but he's absolutely not going to be a Selke finalist.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Yeah I think the fact that the league has shifted so dramatically to favor exceptional skaters has made people, myself included, be way too concerned with guys' skating. Like McG, all we heard was how he wasn't a good skater and every time I saw him in pre-season and the AHL since acquiring, he's been totally fine.

But a guy like McQueen, to shift back to my concern from before; that guy's always attached to tags like serious skating issues and people talk about how he's going to have to dramatically improve to be NHL caliber in that regard. Maybe it's more worrying about nothing, but it always seems to be a much stronger wording with McQueen.

Again, I'd be elated with any of the big four. Hagens reminds me of Jack Hughes from what I've seen. Misa's compared to Point pretty regularly, which is sick. Schaefer's a potential linchpin on your blueline. Martone's a guy who has a bunch of skill and in a frame NHL execs and coaches lose their minds over.

 

[BillyOcean]

Still bizarre people are worried about roster composition and keeping guys like Rakell on the team for the next few years.

It.

Is.

Over.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

There is no such thing as a perfect method to build a Cup winner. Along with identifying and acquiring players, you need the proper support system in place, and you need good coaching and player development.

We haven't had that in about 7 years. I'll continue to hold my breath something changes

 

[Gurglesons]

He also doesn't kill penalties, doesn't have a reputation as a good defensive forward and is probably outshined by Protas on his own team defensively.

He might get Selke votes but he's absolutely not going to be a Selke finalist.

Analytics community will begin propping him up based on his metrics.

Already is happening by guys like Dim.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

He also doesn't kill penalties, doesn't have a reputation as a good defensive forward and is probably outshined by Protas on his own team defensively.

He might get Selke votes but he's absolutely not going to be a Selke finalist.

The Power of Pierre-Luc Dubois

Pierre-Luc Dubois shut down one of the league’s best yesterday, and continues to show off his skills against opponents’ top players.

www.japersrink.com

Ya never know

 

[Empoleon8771]

Analytics community will begin propping him up based on his metrics.

Already is happening by guys like Dim.

Yes and that won't be enough to get him to be a finalist. He'll probably get votes but not nearly enough to be a finalist for it.

 

[SEALBound]

He's the best top six defensive forward on the best team in the league.

If you are so obsessed with PLD and the way the Capitals are doing things - go be a Caps fan and leave the rest of us alone.

 

[Icarium]

I thought it was also to point out how much the pure draft approach has struggled of late in the NHL.

I don't recall any team ever using a pure draft approach, the whole thing sounds like a strawman argument.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I don't recall any team ever using a pure draft approach, the whole thing sounds like a strawman argument.

That's mostly what San Jose and Chicago have done so far and it has been a failure for them.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

If you are so obsessed with PLD and the way the Capitals are doing things - go be a Caps fan and leave the rest of us alone.

Well he does have a point that the Caps are a model in terms of a quick retool.
But when it gets infused with every post it gets tiresome.

That's mostly what San Jose and Chicago have done so far and it has been a failure for them.

Yup- teams don't understand that you don't have to hold onto every player that is "homegrown". You need to flip those guys at their zenith to accumulate more assets (players and/or picks).

Detroit has been doing this for the past 3-5 years. If Stevie Y doesn't think this person is going to be a needle mover, he sends them out quickly. Mantha is a good example.

 

[Freeptop]

I think looking at the "Florida" model also reminds you that there is always a fair element of luck involved.

This absolutely true. Even having Crosby and Malkin in their primes required a fair amount of luck to win in '09, '16 and '17 (especially '17).

I'll also point out that there were lots of people who thought that Florida lost the Tkachuck trade at the time due to the inclusion of Weegar in the deal.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Jack Quinn seems more like the kind of guy we'd be targeting from Buffalo.

I think Friedman mentioned it was primarily AHLers who don't have a spot in the NHL for Buffalo. Rosen sticks out as a big fit, he's one of the top scoring AHLers right now but Buffalo doesn't have a spot for him in the NHL.

Buffalo really needs to just throw together a package of a shitload of futures and just acquire the best possible player they can acquire. They've gone full HFBoards and just hoard prospects while refusing to part with them for win-now help.

I just don't really see what the Penguins could offer them to pull off Rosen, though. Rakell is the big piece but Rakell's also a good bit older than what they'd realistically be looking for. I also figure Buffalo is on Rakell's NTC.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

@Gurglesons don't you have a sock to eat?

 

[Empoleon8771]

Well he does have a point that the Caps are a model in terms of a quick retool.
But when it gets infused with every post it gets tiresome.



Yup- teams don't understand that you don't have to hold onto every player that is "homegrown". You need to flip those guys at their zenith to accumulate more assets (players and/or picks).

Detroit has been doing this for the past 3-5 years. If Stevie Y doesn't think this person is going to be a needle mover, he sends them out quickly. Mantha is a good example.

And this is exactly the thing Buffalo is failing to do as well. They constantly have the #1 ranked prospect pool (or damn close to it) but they keep not improving because they won't spend those assets to actually get win-now help.

That's a team that has to just go to Vancouver and say "we'll meet whatever price you want for Pettersson".

 

[Jacob]

I think Friedman mentioned it was primarily AHLers who don't have a spot in the NHL for Buffalo. Rosen sticks out as a big fit, he's one of the top scoring AHLers right now but Buffalo doesn't have a spot for him in the NHL.

Buffalo really needs to just throw together a package of a shitload of futures and just acquire the best possible player they can acquire. They've gone full HFBoards and just hoard prospects while refusing to part with them for win-now help.

I just don't really see what the Penguins could offer them to pull off Rosen, though. Rakell is the big piece but Rakell's also a good bit older than what they'd realistically be looking for. I also figure Buffalo is on Rakell's NTC.

Makes sense. Rosen was very noticeable in the game the baby Pens played against them the other day.

 

[Pancakes]

Rust loses all trade protection and feels like a logical piece Buffalo's idiotic management would want. Plus you have the Sam Ventura connection in Buffalo.

Our idiotic management wants Rust too.

Calling up Jarry is brilliant. About time we put the tank in overdrive.

 

[Andy99]

In other words, he’s not hearing much lol…

What I’m hearing about Penguins’ activity at NHL trade deadline

Here's what to expect with the Penguins, who should be big players in NHL trade deadline drama.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Ottawa2171]

In other words, he’s not hearing much lol…

What I’m hearing about Penguins’ activity at NHL trade deadline

Here's what to expect with the Penguins, who should be big players in NHL trade deadline drama.

www.nytimes.com

Anything noteworthy?

 

[Empoleon8771]

Just thinking out loud, but I wonder if you could acquire Spence in a Rakell to LA deal and then flip Spence to Buffalo for Rosen. Spence isn't the type of RD I imagine Buffalo is looking for, but he just turned 24 and he should be an upgrade on what they have.

I figure it would look something like:

Penguins get Moore, Rosen and a LA 2025 2nd
Kings get Rakell
Sabres get Spence

 

[Andy99]

Anything noteworthy?

“Don’t be shocked if the Penguins make their biggest splash a day or two before Friday’s deadline. The reason is simple and logistical. Only seven hours after the deadline expires, the Penguins play the Golden Knights in Vegas. They don’t want to find themselves in a position where they have fewer than 20 players capable of dressing. If they make several deals on deadline day, that could happen. It’s not easy to swiftly get players to a location three time zones away.

Sure, it doesn’t matter if the Penguins win these days. Many fans are hoping they tank, after all. But this is more a matter of player safety than integrity, even though both are legitimate concerns. If you have only 16 skaters, for instance, you risk certain players logging significant minutes and increasing their chances of injury.

So, yes, the Penguins may well make a move, or even multiple moves, on Friday. But I’d be surprised if something doesn’t go down before Friday. The Penguins don’t play on Wednesday or Thursday. Those seem like fertile days for Dubas to make a move.

• As mentioned last week in this very space, the Penguins are willing to trade Erik Karlsson. The front office views his inclusion on the Penguins roster as a worthy experiment that simply hasn’t worked. Karlsson is well-liked by his teammates. His talent, Hall of Fame resume and offensive brilliance seem to be appreciated by the organization. But he is not viewed as part of the team’s future, and the Penguins would prefer to remove his $10 million cap hit for two more seasons from their books.

Rickard Rakell is available for a steep price. Dubas doesn’t feel any particular pressure to ship him away, but he also knows that Rakell is one of the most gifted forwards on the market. Given how eager buyers are to add talent, the Penguins are waiting to see how much Rakell could fetch them in the final days before the deadline when offers typically escalate.

Some Western Conference teams have already expressed interest in Rakell.

• Alex Nedeljkovic is not unmovable, but the Penguins do like the idea of having him around their stable of young goaltenders.

• There is no indication that the Penguins have asked Bryan Rust or Kris Letang to waive their no-movement clauses. Rust’s expires in July.”

 

[Empoleon8771]

In other words, he’s not hearing much lol…

What I’m hearing about Penguins’ activity at NHL trade deadline

Here's what to expect with the Penguins, who should be big players in NHL trade deadline drama.

www.nytimes.com

It's the same thing that Yohe has been saying the entire time.

-Beauvillier, Grzelcyk and Acciari are all available, would be surprised if at least one wasn't moved
-Karlsson is an off-season deal
-Rakell's price is high and some Western conference teams have inquired about him
-Rust and Letang aren't moving right now
-POJ isn't in their long-term plans

Nothing new really.

 

[Ragamuffin Gunner]

Not necessarily. Look at what the Caps did. They picked Strome off the trash heap for a one year 3.5 mil deal. They traded Kuemper, who had Jarry-esque numbers last year, for Dubois.

Thse are their top 2 centers and they gave up nothing for them. The only things it took was being pro-active and taking on some risk. We could have had either of those players, who are now in their prime and leading the Caps' resurgence.

A lot of posters here shat on the idea of adding Dubois. But we can weaponize our cap space and take some risks to try to accelerate the retool.

The Caps got 20M in free cap space this summer to take all those big swings. They'd be exactly where the Pens are with a old Backstrom and Oshie in the roster and Kuzy retention on the books.