Salary Cap: '24-'25 Salary Thread: Crosbicles Volume MMXXVI: Sid is Still Goat

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I like Koivunen better lol…wouldn’t do that either…I’d do a 3rd

Not a fan of trading anything for a guy (picks or players) who we know won't mesh with our Neanderthal coach. If he was a FA, sure. The only cost you've expended is money. But I can't get with sending assets out the door for this type of player.
 
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Not a fan of trading anything for a guy (picks or players) who we know won't mesh with our Neanderthal coach. If he was a FA, sure. The only cost you've expended is money. But I can't get with sending assets out the door for this type of player.

If Zegras wouldn't mesh with Sullivan, why would we assume Koivunen would mesh with Sullivan either?
 
If Zegras wouldn't mesh with Sullivan, why would we assume Koivunen would mesh with Sullivan either?

I'll be honest and say I don't know enough about Koi to make a statement either way. I'll defer to you on that.

But Koi is someone we don't have to give up assets for- he's already here. This team needs to horde assets (picks and younger guys) like it's going out of style. Some picks won't make it and other young guys will flame out, but we need all the assets in this stage of the rebuild.
 
I think they would ask for McGroarty but Koivunen is a fine alternative to offer, even if the Penguins were to throw on a bit more on top. Koivunen does seem similar to Pastujov, but I don't see them having a ton of guys in their system like Koivunen. Pastujov and Sidorov seem to be the only kinda similar guys, at least on the AHL team.

Something like Koivunen and a 3rd for Zegras seems achievable, but it largely depends on how Anaheim is valuing Zegras. I can see a really wide range of how he's valued by them. Or maybe Koivunen and that Rangers 2027 2nd for Zegras?
Yeah I’m not necessarily saying in style but just that they have a lot of Koivunens in tier of prospect

If they’re going to sell low on Zegras they probably want a similar player coming back or a proven commodity to help them become competitive. So if it’s futures I feel like they’ll want a significant premium. If I was them.. I’d rather just keep Zegras for another year and see if he picks it up rather than trading him for Koivunen and a pick right now.

Even if he doesn’t pick it up you can probably swing him for an early 2nd rounder in 2026 like Newhook or Liass Anderson. Just don’t see why they’d be motivated to sell low on him for futures.

They cannot score goals, EK helps them do that. Maybe their fans think differently but idk.
 
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Regardless it turns out Ducks fans value Zegras much higher than I anticipated, the responses there are either "not available" or "1st and Koivunen". Honestly if the Penguins had a late 1st to spare, I wouldn't mind the gamble on a 1st and a B prospect for Zegras. But they don't have a late 1st to spare, at least not until we see where the Rangers 1st falls.

If the Rangers 1st is at like 20th overall this year, maybe I'd go back to Anaheim and offer that for Zegras, but I'm inclined to believe they wouldn't take it due to the 2025 draft being bad.
 
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If Zegras wouldn't mesh with Sullivan, why would we assume Koivunen would mesh with Sullivan either?
Reports out of the AHL are that Koivunen is surprisingly gritty for a guy with a bit of a finesse offensive game. Decent on the boards, willing to make and take a hit, etc.

Koivunen might actually mesh fine, much like a guy like Rakell.
 
Reports out of the AHL are that Koivunen is surprisingly gritty for a guy with a bit of a finesse offensive game. Decent on the boards, willing to make and take a hit, etc.

Koivunen might actually mesh fine, much like a guy like Rakell.

I mean from what Ducks fans are saying, Zegras has been playing with that physicality as well. I don't think the "soft skill guy" idea that people said about Zegras earlier in his career are as true now.
 
1) sure. But less sellers = less guys like Rak on the market, which = better value for him now vs summer.

2) in theory. In practice UFAs may cost more cap but you don’t have to part with any assets- like you do for Rakell. Also the market becomes flooded with supply this time of year. I don’t think this helps his value.

3) don’t think they end up retaining on him tbh

4) they can trade for a ‘26 pick right now

All of this is to say either they are posturing or simply not trading him.
Looking at the FA class for this summer, Raks would be the 6th leading scorer. https://puckpedia.com/players/search?q=2024-25-ufa

Once the top few guys sign GMs will be left with the option of signing a Ryan Donato 6M+ or trade for Raks or Rust at 5M.
 
Looking at the FA class for this summer, Raks would be the 6th leading scorer. https://puckpedia.com/players/search?q=2024-25-ufa

Once the top few guys sign GMs will be left with the option of signing a Ryan Donato 6M+ or trade for Raks or Rust at 5M.
I'm interested in what happens with the rfas with the rising cap. I think you're going to see quite a few hit the jackpot with their "bridge" deals. Especially if outside pressure from offer sheets plays any role.
 
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Like I said in the other thread, I think Sullivan is a legitimately good coach but is wildly past his expiration date and refuses to adjust based on the roster he has here. The best thing this team could do with him is trade him to someone desperate after seeing what he could do with talent, if that is allowed that is.
I believe trading head coaches or GMs is NOT allowed under the current CBA. If memory serves, they got rid of this a couple of CBAs ago. Was it Brian Burke that wanted this out of the CBA? Not sure who championed it. In the 1980s, the Quebec Nordiques got a first-round pick from the Rangers for trading Michel Bergeron. Heck, we might have gotten 2 firsts for Sullivan from the Rangers this time around!


I think some of you guys underestimate the bond that gets created when you win two cups with a coach.

Sid backing Sullivan is more than just comfort. There's a real bond there.

Put yourself in his shoes. Wouldnt you be pretty ride or die for a coach who helped cement your legacy?

So, one Stanley Cup and the coach gets canned the minute it goes off the rails, but two Stanley Cups and he sticks around forever?

I have a hard time believing that Sidney Crosby is the main reason why Mike Sullivan is still the head coach here. Maybe since he is the captain, he is the mouthpiece of the team and the locker room still wants this coach as a general rule. That is certainly a strong possibility. But if that ever changed, would it even matter?

What we are underestimating is the Boston connection and the ties that run deep with that damn city and that entire state when it comes to sports.

Sidney Crosby, Evgeni Malkin and Kris Letang have made the Cup finals with three different NHL head coaches. I could maybe see it if Sullivan were the ONLY coach they had ever known, but they were successful way before Sullivan ever began infesting this organization with his Bostonianisms. So sorry, not buying the deep bond theory.


Speculating into this offseason… if all options are realistic. Would you prefer signing Marner or 2 of the following 3: Ehlers, Bennett and/or Boeser?

Been thinking the effects of both situations and just curious on others’ thoughts.

I say Marner. Why? Because it is easier to overpay for one superstar player and actually stick the landing, considering who our captain and GM are, rather than trying to sign multiple free agents in a market where UFAs have largely been lukewarm to sign here.


I mean from what Ducks fans are saying, Zegras has been playing with that physicality as well. I don't think the "soft skill guy" idea that people said about Zegras earlier in his career are as true now.

Zegras will end up being another Laine, he will come along a 2nd round pick to take him... Not spending assets on him!

I am somewhere in the middle of where you guys stand on Zegras. I would never spend a 1st round pick to see if he actually gives a shit enough to help this team. But at the same time, Zegras is exactly the type of player Dubas should kick the tires on (and has). And we are so bereft of talent down the middle that it is becoming embarrassing.

That said, as long the Anaheim's price remains high, they can keep him.
 
There used to be a "compensation" pick required if you stole someone's GM or Coach and they were still under contract. I think we got 3rd for Botterill and Hynes when they went to the Sabres and Devils, respectively.
 
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Bringing that Malkin topic from the off-day thread, Malkin said in an article to Rossi that he doesn't plan to retire and is undecided if next year will be his last year. That second point brings up an interesting topic that I've seen discussed a few times, it may be smart to try to trade Rakell for a 2C and slide Malkin up to Crosby's wing. I'm just unsure of who fits that.

I would be totally happy running with a Malkin-Crosby-Rust L1 until Crosby and Malkin retire. Let them stick together for as long as they want and basically just rebuild the rest of the team.
 
Malkin is sliding and just has to be part of the movement to get younger and faster. Rust, Karlsson can be move in the off season for a nice bunch of assets. Pens stuck for now with Jarry. Graves third pairing D man is about where that is. Rakell to me is just so valuable. Unless Dubas is just blown away, I keep him as a RW.
Pens have to begin the WB guys and begin the movement with RutgersM, Ponomarev, Broz, RD in Jack St Ivany. Pickering, RD in Burniche. Pens have a couple younger LD to develop as well. Cap space will be there to add one or two significant center/forward top 6 in 2026.
 
This was mentioned yesterday, but Anaheim has apparently been scouting a ton of WBS games recently. This is just speculating, but I wonder whether Zegras would be a kind of buy low move Dubas would look to make to add some talent for the top-6. Zegras hasn't been playing well in the past 2 years (12 goals and 30 points in 63 games in the last 2 years) and he has a $5.75 million cap hit, so he should be fairly reasonable to acquire.

Zegras seems like he has really fallen out of favor on the Ducks. He's not on their top PP unit and he doesn't appear to be a center for them anymore, which partially explains why his production has fallen off so much. His analytics and 5v5 production rates still seem decent or better, so I think he could be a guy that could really pop off and return back to a 50-60 point center if the Penguins use him like that.

I wouldn't do McGroarty, Brunicke or a 1st for Zegras, but pretty much any other asset or collection of assets would be on the table for me to pull off Zegras.
I don't see us as good trading partners. The Ducks would want that first, McGroarty, or Brunicke for Zegras and the Pens wouldn't want to give up those assets for him.
 
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I don't see us as good trading partners. The Ducks would want that first, McGroarty, or Brunicke for Zegras and the Pens wouldn't want to give up those assets for him.

Yeah that seems to be the case. It seems like Ducks fans don't want a package headlined with a 1st for him either, so something like Koivunen and the Rangers 1st for Zegras wouldn't be enticing.

Granted all fanbases overvalue their guys but Zegras seems like the type that probably just won't get moved right now. Maybe when he's up for a contract extension things could be different.
 
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Pros:
Zegras gives us a young top 6 center type until the next wave of top picks are ready.
If he is sold low, its very low risk potentially high reward.
Not much term left if he doesn't return to form.

Cons:
50/50 chance Harkins is throw in the trade.

No deal.
GM- Mike Sullivan- You got a deal!
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I would definitely bite on Zegras but not for what Anaheim likely asks. I think he probably bounces back in a different environment and if anything could get him on track it would be playing with a guy like Sid. Though Sid seems to despise the guy when they play the Ducks.
 
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I would definitely bite on Zegras but not for what Anaheim likely asks. I think he probably bounces back in a different environment and if anything could get him on track it would be playing with a guy like Sid. Though Sid seems to despise the guy when they play the Ducks.
Is Zegras more like Dupuis or more like Kunitz? Those are the guys Crosby likes to play with, not the flashy youtube highlight guys.
 
Yeah if you're bringing in Zegras, it's to run with a top-6 of something like:

Malkin-Crosby-Rust
McGroarty-Zegras-Koivunen

Then when that L1 retires, L2 gets promoted to L1. I don't think Zegras would be coming in to play with Crosby.
 

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