Salary Cap: '24-'25 Salary Thread: Crosbicles Volume MMXXVI: Sid is Still Goat

[SEALBound]

I thought ZAR in 2021 was a decent comparable - $1.725mil x 1yr. So that would have put him in the $2mil region for 1-2 years which is about right. $2.5mil is a bit too much for my liking but with the cap going up so much, it's not much of an issue.

 

[Harvey Birdman]

Glad the Penguins aren't paying him this. This feels like a million a year too much.

2M +\- 250k is more appropriate for him. Then again he is also in Canada. So there is probably a pay bump due to that. If I knew my value was X solidly I would want a premium to play in California, New York, Massachusetts, or Canada simply due to taxes. I know DOC isn’t a star and has limited bargaining leverage. But I would be willing to bet that slight overpay is due to him now playing in Canada.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

3x3 for DOC is crazy!

GMs overvalue guys like him every single time they get the chance.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Yeah, I don't think a 2025 1st has the same value. I would bet 32 GMs would keep their 2024 15th OV pick vs trading for the 2025 15th OV pick. My preference would just be to use it in whichever draft it ends up being in and adding another 1st round talent to the organization.

I think the only realistic scenarios I would support trading the pick is:
1. Move up into the top 4 in this draft. Say like 6th OV + 12th OV for 4th OV. I would gladly take Misa or Martone and sacrifice a middling 2025 1st rounder.
2. Move it for a young player, specifically a center, who an org is down on but we feel has more potential. For example, Rossi or Pinto. It likely means send back additional assets but I'd be willing to have the discussion.


To be fair, they did get DOC as well and they plan on extending him. While I think that DOC isn't anything special, we saw that he was highly coveted by a couple of teams. If they extend him, it means they got two roster players for the pick in a weak draft. Trying to be objective, it IS relatively difficult to find decent players for cheap who are big, fast, and can forecheck. If DOC was a 20g scorer, he'd be Kreider.

I think this move is very reminiscent of the Kapanen trade but in reverse. If you remember, there were several teams after Kapanen but everyone was offering their 2nd and Toronto was holding out. Finally, JR coughed up the 1st to get his guy. The entire difference was that ,JR was willing to step up and pay more. Yeah we also got Fernstrom as well, but I think that's merely a throw-in. A third round pick but tough to say if he even had 3rd round value.

We all agreed that Pettersson's value was that of a 2nd + prospect. I firmly believed that adding DOC made the package worth a 1st. So with others after DOC as well, JR (or rather Allvin) stepped up and offered the 1st and got their guys. Overall, I think the price tag was right in line with expectations. The x-factor here being where that pick lands. I mean, the hockey gods could take out Panarin and Shesterkin and the Rags could win the draft lottery in 2026.

We did get a prospect that was a 3rd rounder and that 3rd rounder is looking like a 2nd rounder.

So a really good 1st + a 2nd for DOC and Petts is gold

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Only 2.6% of the cap next year. Not that bad at all. Originally I thought it was a bit rich (still is ever so slightly) but the percentage puts it in better perspective.

 

[Pancakes]

I think that's alright for DOC if he starts scoring at a higher rate again but if he's struggling to hit double digit goals I'm less in favor of it

 

[tnnr]

Does Sid sit out games when he's back to get healthy? He's clearly playing through a pretty bad injury at the 4Nations.

 

[BobCole]

Removing Vancouver from the equation, I can see DOC as a good 3rd line energy guy on a team with a strong top 6 and doesn't need 20g+ from their third line winger. In today's cap world, that's probably worth $2.5M.

 

[tnnr]

What player(s) are gettable with the NYR 1st Rd Pick?

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

What player(s) are gettable with the NYR 1st Rd Pick?

Check the top 10 rated prospects for the 2026 draft.

 

[Andy99]

From another poster on another site:

“From Josh Yohe today regarding Penguins plans:

-Says Crosby and Malkin are off limits, and Dubas does not intend to ask Rust to waive his trade protection.

-Says Rakell is the biggest piece they have to offer, but odds don't seem good that he'll be moved. Would have to be a substantial offer. Thinking is his cost to acquire will actually go up this summer. Dubas will listen, but it better be good.

-Thought process right now is Penguins will make smaller moves. There is interest around the league in both Grzelcyk and Beauvillier.

That was really it, other than Yohe talking about how the Penguins really like Brunicke, Pieniniemi, and Harding in the defense prospect mix. He also mentioned Mac Hollowell potentially getting an NHL shot if we trade some d-men or have injuries.

I don't think there is going to be a major splash (unless Rakell is moved) or a huge selloff, but, I also don't think Grzelcyk and Beauvillier are going to bring in anything major that helps this team next year. So, either Dubas sells Rakell now (for a great offer), or he holds on and makes a splash at the draft.

Starting to sound like we'll have a fizzle at the trade deadline rather than a bang.”

 

[Empoleon8771]

Yohe has said the same exact thing about the Penguins deadline plans for like 2 months now. It's O'Connor and Pettersson guaranteed to move (which has happened) and a bunch of small things.

If you were expecting more, you were ignoring what has been consistently said since the beginning.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Says Rakell is the biggest piece they have to offer, but odds don't seem good that he'll be moved. Would have to be a substantial offer. Thinking is his cost to acquire will actually go up this summer. Dubas will listen, but it better be good.

I don’t understand this. Not knocking the reporting but logically — How does his value go up this summer? You’d think getting him for playoffs + same term you’d get him for in the summer would be more attractive.

Not like he has a trade clause burning off.

 

[Darren McCord]

Yohe has said the same exact thing about the Penguins deadline plans for like 2 months now. It's O'Connor and Pettersson guaranteed to move (which has happened) and a bunch of small things.

If you were expecting more, you were ignoring what has been consistently said since the beginning.

Ya but yohe sucks. I could have said that because those moves were obvious. If something else happens it would be a less obvious move and yohe would have no clue

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Ya but yohe sucks. I could have said that because those moves were obvious. If something else happens it would be a less obvious move and yohe would have no clue

He’s probably a bit of a mouthpiece for the org though.

That said, reading the Rakell blurb - that could easily be posturing. “No pressure unless I get a good offer”

 

[Ulf5]

I don’t understand this. Not knocking the reporting but logically — How does his value go up this summer? You’d think getting him for playoffs + same term you’d get him for in the summer would be more attractive.

Not like he has a trade clause burning off.

Makes no sense even if you factor in his actual salary going down.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I don’t understand this. Not knocking the reporting but logically — How does his value go up this summer? You’d think getting him for playoffs + same term you’d get him for in the summer would be more attractive.

Not like he has a trade clause burning off.

More teams with cap space to trade for him is my guess. But at the same time, those teams will also be able to sign UFAs as well, so that is also a factor. Probably just shoddy reporting once again.

Ya but yohe sucks. I could have said that because those moves were obvious. If something else happens it would be a less obvious move and yohe would have no clue

It's the obvious situation that has been echoed pretty consistently by LeBrun, Friedman and such. What Yohe is reporting isn't really unique to him.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Not sure of the source (possibly Yohe as well) but the Penguins are apparently trying to offload Hayes' deal as well. Curious to see if they could actually do it this off-season with the cap going up significantly.

I figure with Hayes only having 1 year left after this year, he'd be much easier to trade than last off-season.

 

[Ulf5]

I've read a couple different places today that Anaheim has had scouts at the last few wbs pens games.