Salary Cap: '24-'25 Salary Thread: Crosbicles Volume MMXXVI: Sid is Still Goat

[Ulf5]

Locker room camera caught Sid with tape on his left wrist, so, "upper body" is "wrist," not shoulder, as many of us expected.

Lebrun had a blurb, on sportsnet I believe, mentioning Sid's hands were in his hoodie pocket during every media availability session prior to the tournament. Certainly seemed like he was trying to hide a hand.

 

[SEALBound]

Lebrun had a blurb, on sportsnet I believe, mentioning Sid's hands were in his hoodie pocket during every media availability session prior to the tournament. Certainly seemed like he was trying to hide a hand.

Hold on, let me go get my tinfoil hat before I respond.

 

[Dennis Reynolds]

Sid's hit that led to the empty-netter was very Yzermanesque. Leader doing leader things.

 

[cygnus47]

Sid's hit that led to the empty-netter was very Yzermanesque. Leader doing leader things.

He was getting that puck if he had to die to get it. Crazy that he still has that drive at 37 after everything he's put his body through. Super admirable from Granlund too.

 

[ThosePuckingPenguins]

Go Sid! He wants to be traded to Colorado for sure now!

Sid could look into the camera and say “I’m never playing anywhere else but Pittsburgh” after each point he records and you’ll still get the Greg Wyshynski’s and Biz’s of the world tweeting “DOES CROSBY WANT OUT OF PITTSBURGH?!”

 

[molon labe]

Sid could look into the camera and say “I’m never playing anywhere else but Pittsburgh” after each point he records and you’ll still get the Greg Wyshynski’s and Biz’s of the world tweeting “DOES CROSBY WANT OUT OF PITTSBURGH?!”

Every day is a new day.

Plus:
- He can be happy where he's at - and happy in other places too.
- He can be comfortable here, and comfortable there.
- He may not be able to 'see himself' on another team - yet still end up on one.

Other priorities though. You can still trade away Rakell/Rust and target Marner - toe in/toe out philosophy. EK w/retention? If it's for a hell of a grab, sure. But there's plenty to do without signaling that Sid/Geno are being dealt. They're not competing this year whatsoever and don't really have the ability to make any changes at this point that change that. Gibson is better than our goalie crop at the moment - but what about LD, top 6 forward(s), etc.?

 

[Ragamuffin Gunner]

Sully has a built-in excuse to "mutually part ways" this summer to focus on the Olympics. It's really our only hope.

 

[SEALBound]

Per Freidman in his 32 Thoughts:

9. Will be interesting to see if Pittsburgh keeps that top-13 protected Rangers 2025 pick (unprotected for 2026). A couple teams were disappointed to not snare it. There’s value. Everyone knows what the Penguins want — controllable young talent, preferably in the NHL or close.

Nothing earth-shattering but worth sharing. I ASSUME he will wait to see where it lands before trading it. A faltering NYR team this year and the 2026 pick being unprotected is interesting.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

I mean it's insanely f***in hard to win a cup. So yeah if I won two cups with a coach I would probably be pretty loyal to them. That's just human nature. Blame Sid for that if you want but I don't think any of us in his shoes would be any different.

Especially considering Sid, Geno, Letang, and Fleury were seriously being questioned as to whether they'd win another Cup after winning in '09 and never getting back. No matter how confident you are as an athlete, doubt has to creep in when you keep falling short again. And then you think about this - Bylsma gets fired, Johnston comes in and is a trainwreck, he gets fired, you're out of the playoff picture when Sullivan is hired. Confidence isn't exactly at an all-time high at that point.

Then you win back-to-back Cups.

It's time to move on, but I get the loyalty. And if you want to win one more before you retire, I get the hesitation to work with a new coach, too.

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

Per Freidman in his 32 Thoughts:


Nothing earth-shattering but worth sharing. I ASSUME he will wait to see where it lands before trading it. A faltering NYR team this year and the 2026 pick being unprotected is interesting.

That's the thing though, the pick cannot be traded now, KD needs to be patient and wait to see if it ends up being a 2025 pick. Then you most probably keep the pick unless you get a ridiculous offer of a top 10 young prospect

 

[Ulf5]

That's the thing though, the pick cannot be traded now, KD needs to be patient and wait to see if it ends up being a 2025 pick. Then you most probably keep the pick unless you get a ridiculous offer of a top 10 young prospect

The damn suspense! Currently 13th. Can pass 5 teams, possibly more.

 

[Duffy13]

I've never ever wanted to see Sid in another jersey, but seeing how he is playing in the 4 Nations I wouldn't blame him at all if he said "ok, it's time to break up the band". He won't, especially being so instrumental in getting Letang and Geno resigned... But it would be nice to see him win again, and move up the playoff scoring list some more. Just wish it was more competitive here for him to do this.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I still can't believe the Penguins got that Rangers 1st for Pettersson. Granted the draft sucks this year, but the Rangers are currently sitting 20th in the NHL and trading a top-15 pick for Pettersson seems like a crazy overpayment. I obviously like MP but he's not the kind of defenseman you spend that high of a 1st on.

I think the only thing I'd trade that 1st for is a young center, and I'd be asking for a damn good center if the pick ends up a 2026 pick. I'd want someone on par with Lundell or better if I'm trading the pick if it slides to 2026.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

I’d want a pretty good player for that pick if it slides to an unprotected ’26

Rossi, McTavish, Clarke level IMO.. and why would those teams do that?

Anything less you are likely better off drafting. Will be similar caliber to the tier below those guys and 3-6 years younger.

 

[PamBallam]

I still can't believe the Penguins got that Rangers 1st for Pettersson. Granted the draft sucks this year, but the Rangers are currently sitting 20th in the NHL and trading a top-15 pick for Pettersson seems like a crazy overpayment. I obviously like MP but he's not the kind of defenseman you spend that high of a 1st on.

I think the only thing I'd trade that 1st for is a young center, and I'd be asking for a damn good center if the pick ends up a 2026 pick. I'd want someone on par with Lundell or better if I'm trading the pick if it slides to 2026.

Agreed. If that pick gets traded, a legit, PROVEN, young player has to be coming back. Not a 'Could maybe be decent in a few years type player'

 

[Ugene Magic]

I still can't believe the Penguins got that Rangers 1st for Pettersson. Granted the draft sucks this year, but the Rangers are currently sitting 20th in the NHL and trading a top-15 pick for Pettersson seems like a crazy overpayment. I obviously like MP but he's not the kind of defenseman you spend that high of a 1st on.

I think the only thing I'd trade that 1st for is a young center, and I'd be asking for a damn good center if the pick ends up a 2026 pick. I'd want someone on par with Lundell or better if I'm trading the pick if it slides to 2026.

The Rangers didn't trade their 1st for Pettersson. They traded it for Miller from the Canucks.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I’d want a pretty good player for that pick if it slides to an unprotected ’26

Rossi, McTavish, Clarke level IMO.. and why would those teams do that?

Anything less you are likely better off drafting. Will be similar caliber to the tier below those guys and 3-6 years younger.

I think Rossi is possible due to cap concerns, plus Minnesota may not think he's as good as he has produced this year.

They are getting off the hook from the Parise and Suter buyouts this year, but they only have $22 million in cap space with 9 F, 5 D and 1 goalie signed. With Kaprizov and Gustavsson on expiring deals next year, I wouldn't be surprised for them to sell high on Rossi rather than paying him. Not saying it's likely but I wouldn't rule it out.

This year is the first year Rossi has produced over 40 points and it's with him playing 18 minutes a night with Kaprizov. If he wants $8 million a year, do they give him that or think he's not worth that?

The Rangers didn't trade their 1st for Pettersson. They traded it for Miller from the Canucks.

Yeah no crap. The Canucks traded that Rangers 1st for Pettersson, which seems like way too much from the Canucks with where the Rangers are sitting in the standings.

 

[Khelandros]

Lebrun had a blurb, on sportsnet I believe, mentioning Sid's hands were in his hoodie pocket during every media availability session prior to the tournament. Certainly seemed like he was trying to hide a hand.

Hiding, in plain sight.

 

[Ulf5]

Hiding, in plain sight.

Seems you should send that to Lebrun
And is that prior to tournament or post-game?

 

[SEALBound]

That's the thing though, the pick cannot be traded now, KD needs to be patient and wait to see if it ends up being a 2025 pick. Then you most probably keep the pick unless you get a ridiculous offer of a top 10 young prospect

Yeah, I don't think a 2025 1st has the same value. I would bet 32 GMs would keep their 2024 15th OV pick vs trading for the 2025 15th OV pick. My preference would just be to use it in whichever draft it ends up being in and adding another 1st round talent to the organization.

I think the only realistic scenarios I would support trading the pick is:
1. Move up into the top 4 in this draft. Say like 6th OV + 12th OV for 4th OV. I would gladly take Misa or Martone and sacrifice a middling 2025 1st rounder.
2. Move it for a young player, specifically a center, who an org is down on but we feel has more potential. For example, Rossi or Pinto. It likely means send back additional assets but I'd be willing to have the discussion.

I still can't believe the Penguins got that Rangers 1st for Pettersson. Granted the draft sucks this year, but the Rangers are currently sitting 20th in the NHL and trading a top-15 pick for Pettersson seems like a crazy overpayment. I obviously like MP but he's not the kind of defenseman you spend that high of a 1st on.

I think the only thing I'd trade that 1st for is a young center, and I'd be asking for a damn good center if the pick ends up a 2026 pick. I'd want someone on par with Lundell or better if I'm trading the pick if it slides to 2026.

To be fair, they did get DOC as well and they plan on extending him. While I think that DOC isn't anything special, we saw that he was highly coveted by a couple of teams. If they extend him, it means they got two roster players for the pick in a weak draft. Trying to be objective, it IS relatively difficult to find decent players for cheap who are big, fast, and can forecheck. If DOC was a 20g scorer, he'd be Kreider.

I think this move is very reminiscent of the Kapanen trade but in reverse. If you remember, there were several teams after Kapanen but everyone was offering their 2nd and Toronto was holding out. Finally, JR coughed up the 1st to get his guy. The entire difference was that ,JR was willing to step up and pay more. Yeah we also got Fernstrom as well, but I think that's merely a throw-in. A third round pick but tough to say if he even had 3rd round value.

We all agreed that Pettersson's value was that of a 2nd + prospect. I firmly believed that adding DOC made the package worth a 1st. So with others after DOC as well, JR (or rather Allvin) stepped up and offered the 1st and got their guys. Overall, I think the price tag was right in line with expectations. The x-factor here being where that pick lands. I mean, the hockey gods could take out Panarin and Shesterkin and the Rags could win the draft lottery in 2026.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Glad the Penguins aren't paying him this. This feels like a million a year too much.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Seems bang on. I thought 3x3. VAN did not buy the 3rd UFA year which was smart IMO.

 

[Gurglesons]

Seems bang on. I thought 3x3. VAN did not buy the 3rd UFA year which was smart IMO.

3x3 for DOC is crazy!

 

[pistolpete11]

Seems like a McGinn type of contract where you talk yourself into it being fine and then after a year it's like "f***, I can't believe we're paying a premium for a 4th line winger."

 

[Ugene Magic]

Yeah no crap. The Canucks traded that Rangers 1st for Pettersson, which seems like way too much from the Canucks with where the Rangers are sitting in the standings.

The best that asset can be for either Canucks/Pens is a 2025 14 OA or what could be even worse considering Miller is going to help them not quite bottom out as much as you'd like/hope.

We're not talking a top ten pick here, and probably why the Canucks let it go.

So much would need to go wrong/right to get a unprotected top ten next season 2026.

I wouldn't be counting on anything with that pick.

A pick 14OA or higher isn't all that great.