Salary Cap: '24-'25 Salary Thread: Crosbicles Volume MMXXVI: Sid is Still Goat

[CheckingLineCenter]

The sun rising in the morning probably demoralizes pens x

 

[Ulf5]

His defensive metrics this year are fantastic, he's good with faceoffs and he's producing at about a 25 point pace. That's about the stereotypical fringe 3C/4C. He's basically what Eller was for the Penguins but worse at scoring goals.

I don't think Glass is anything special but I don't see what makes him a "bad 4th line center" or anyone to be mentioned in the Nieto or Acciari group.

He's a perfectly serviceable 4C. But that spot can be filled a lot cheaper if he's going to get anything close to $2 million.
He's pacing for 25 points this season. If he's put on Sully's 4th line, he won't even approach that lol.

 

[Andy99]

He's a perfectly serviceable 4C. But that spot can be filled a lot cheaper if he's going to get anything close to $2 million.
He's pacing for 25 points this season. If he's put on Sully's 4th line, he won't even approach that lol.

Yep, he’s a fine defensive player and he shouldn’t be qualified or paid as much as he is…what irritates me is Sullivan playing him on the second line either with Geno or in place of Geno and expecting something from him…it’s awful…Just take him away from Sullivan if the coach must return next season lol

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Glass is basically just Blueger, and I've always kinda assumed Pono's expected ceiling is Blueger; a bottom-6 center who doesn't really do anything good or bad out there. Maybe I'm wildly off on that, I don't really pay as much attention to Pono as guys like McG, Koivunen, and Broz.

Also, $2M AAV is pretty much nothing nowadays with the cap going up to $95.5M next year, $104M in 2026-27, and $113.5M in 2027-28. Hell, a dude making $5M AAV is probably gonna be a whatever cap hit.

 

[Darren McCord]

He's basically what Eller was for the Penguins but worse at scoring goals.

Which is what the penguins do not need to be paying 2 million for. Eller drove the play better than glass.
Glass is simply a young accairi but not as a good as the young accairi.

Unless he bounces back in the second half and hits 10 goals on the season he isn't worth 2 mil. You can get better for less in UFA or at least equal from a younger cheaper player.

 

[Darren McCord]

Glass is basically just Blueger,

Except he never pk'd until this year and is kinda meh at it. But I agree. The problem is you already have Accairi and Hayes doing the same things and Pono on the way. I also think Poulin could handle the role to if they actually let him play. He is coming on stronger in WBS and should be brought up and given a legit shot.

No need to continuing double down on the same type of players. They need to create a better mix in the bottom 6.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

I do not understand the Glass love at all. If we HAVE to have a right-shooting center, and we don't necessarily, but if we had to, give me Acciari over Glass. At least with Acciari, Sullivan will not pretend he can score so we never have to see Malkin playing with Acciari. With Glass, everything he has in the NHL has been handed to him. He has not earned anything. If he were not a failed first-round draft pick making more money than he should, he would be out of the NHL. I have already compared him to Colin White. That is what Glass ends up being, probably as early as next year. The fact Glass has played a lot of second-line minutes this season is the very epitome of why this franchise has struggled since 2017. He is exactly the type of low-event hockey player Sullivan loves, and is exactly the type of player we need to be rid of.

Some of you want to keep a guy with no upside like Glass, and have already written off a guy like Ponomarev as anything more than Glass 2.0. Why? Because he has failed to impress in the smallest of sample sizes? Because somebody did a prospects list and decided he is a bottom-six talent even before the player proves otherwise? Very lame.

The reason I like Ponomarev playing with Malkin is two-fold: Sullivan already knows he needs a defensive conscience on Malkin's line, and sure that could be Rust next season if we are able to land a guy like Marner. Otherwise, no one else fits the description better than Ponomarev, at least no one among the group of prospects and/or veteran players we want to keep around. I could see a Ponomarev-Malkin-Tomasino line clicking, too. But I think Sullivan has already decided that Tomasino is a third-liner. And that is not the worst thing because we absolutely need to build a solid third line that acts basically as a 2B line to Malkin's 2A line. The other reason I like Ponomarev on the Malkin line is to help Ponomarev max out his offensive potential. The NHL is littered with bottom-six talent who got an opportunity to play in a top-six forward role because of their defensive prowess. Think of Ponomarev being to Malkin what Bob Errey was to Mario. Or think of what Sullivan is thinking about when he puts Glass anchored next to Malkin. Same concept, better upside with Ponomarev.

Lastly, I don't understand why people are so giddy to trade Rakell at the moment. This player is now who he was always supposed to be. He was very good in Anaheim, then he was very good when he came over to the Pens. The wheels came off completely last season, but this player's skill set was always meant to be exploited as a right-shooting left-winger. He was playing right wing with Malkin (mainly) last season, and from day 1 it always seemed that Rakell had way more chemistry with Crosby than with Malkin. And to my knowledge, Sullivan never tried Rakell on the left side with Malkin, either.

If a team wants him, overpay and then sure Dubas could consider that. But it makes zero sense to be thinking about going after a big free agent like Marner, only to dump our best winger at this year's deadline. Next year is a different story. But if we are trying to attract someone like Marner, dumping Rakell is not the way to do it. Dumping Karlsson isn't either, for that matter.

Let's just dump what needs to be dumped at this year's deadline. For me, that means one of the veteran goaltenders (likely Ned for obvious reasons), one of Heinen or Bunting (likely the latter because he has way more value at the moment) and the pending free agents (Beauvillier, Grz, GLASS). Nieto is whatever. Shea is whatever. Tomasino we should keep unless he needs to be included in a trade to get us another first or a top prospect.

I will believe players like Graves, Hayes, Acciari and Lizotte will be moved when I see it. I don't think there is a market for the first two, and I don't think Dubas wants to move the latter two. He is in step with his head coach, after all.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Which is what the penguins do not need to be paying 2 million for. Eller drove the play better than glass.
Glass is simply a young accairi but not as a good as the young accairi.

Unless he bounces back in the second half and hits 10 goals on the season he isn't worth 2 mil. You can get better for less in UFA or at least equal from a younger cheaper player.

1. Statistically the "Eller drove play better than Glass" is false. Neither player did anything when it came to driving offense.
2. Comparing Glass to a young Acciari is a horrendous comparison. Young Acciari's entire game was his forechecking and heavy play along the boards. That's nowhere even close to Glass's game. Glass is a bland defensive bottom-6 center.

If you want to judge them based on their JFresh cards:




Glass's analytics have jumped back more towards 2022-2023 levels this year, he's basically just what Eller was for the Penguins but with worse goal scoring.

 

[Darren McCord]

1. Statistically the "Eller drove play better than Glass" is false.
2. Comparing Glass to a young Acciari is a horrendous comparison. Young Acciari's entire game was his forechecking and heavy play along the boards. That's nowhere even close to Glass's game. Glass is a bland defensive bottom-6 center.

1. What stats? Cause I could care less about advance stats. When Eller was here he created offense himself and scored goals. Glass hasn't done that at all. Glass is another TB but worse at the PK. This team is also killing any skill Glass had left by deploying him like that.

2. Which is why I said he is like a young version of current Acciar, which is defensive bottom-6 center who can;t score and is bland.

 

[Empoleon8771]

1. What stats? Cause I could care less about advance stats. When Eller was here he created offense himself and scored goals. Glass hasn't done that at all. Glass is another TB but worse at the PK. This team is also killing any skill Glass had left by deploying him like that.

"I don't care about the stats that prove my argument false"

2. Which is why I said he is like a young version of current Acciar, which is defensive bottom-6 center who can;t score and is bland.

Okay, so that's just a stupid comparison then. Glass is significantly more effective than Acciari.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Except he never pk'd until this year and is kinda meh at it. But I agree. The problem is you already have Accairi and Hayes doing the same things and Pono on the way. I also think Poulin could handle the role to if they actually let him play. He is coming on stronger in WBS and should be brought up and given a legit shot.

No need to continuing double down on the same type of players. They need to create a better mix in the bottom 6.

If you read my post a page ago, Pono's in my lineup next year and moving forward. I'm not anti-Pono. I just don't know that he's gonna ever be more than a Blueger or Glass type "who f***ing cares" player. But again, that's why I want him in the lineup, to actually see what he is at this level. Give him a spot, give him a lotta patience and let him learn and adjust at this level. This team's been f***ing cooked for like half a decade, man, it doesn't matter whether you've got a Blueger, Acciari, Glass or Pono in your lineup.

The what the team *needs* moving forward, is to be terrible, and commit to that. Not this hovering between 7th and 10th to last bullshit. Genuinely bad. That's the only thing that matters. Not whether Blueger redux is in the lineup, regardless of whether that means Glass or Pono.

As for the PK thing, couldn't give a f*** less, man. Jack Johnson PKs and the dude's dumb as a f***ing rock and for many years was arguably the worst player in the league. Throw Glass out there and tell him to try and clog up shooting/passing lanes and make sure he's strong on pucks when he's trying to clear. If he does well and learns the sacred art of PKmancy, cool. If he doesn't, throw some other loser out there. Rinse and repeat as needed. /shrug

 

[Darren McCord]

He is exactly the type of low-event hockey player Sullivan loves, and is exactly the type of player we need to be rid of.

Some of you want to keep a guy with no upside like Glass, and have already written off a guy like Ponomarev as anything more than Glass 2.0. Why? Because he has failed to impress in the smallest of sample sizes? Because somebody did a prospects list and decided he is a bottom-six talent even before the player proves otherwise? Very lame.

This is pretty much all that that needs to be said about him. Glass is the worse type of player to keep because of how Sullivan will use him. He reminds me of Riley Sheahan but I think Sheahan was better.

Give me a player who could be worse but also be better. I do not want these mid guys who just keep bringing the same thing. Take some risk and hope a player surprises you.

If you read my post a page ago, Pono's in my lineup next year and moving forward. I'm not anti-Pono. I just don't know that he's gonna ever be more than a Blueger or Glass type "who f***ing cares" player. But again, that's why I want him in the lineup, to actually see what he is at this level. Give him a spot, give him a lotta patience and let him learn and adjust at this level. This team's been f***ing cooked for like half a decade, man, it doesn't matter whether you've got a Blueger, Acciari, Glass or Pono in your lineup.

The what the team *needs* moving forward, is to be terrible, and commit to that. Not this hovering between 7th and 10th to last bullshit. Genuinely bad. That's the only thing that matters. Not whether Blueger redux is in the lineup, regardless of whether that means Glass or Pono.

As for the PK thing, couldn't give a f*** less, man. Jack Johnson PKs and the dude's dumb as a f***ing rock and for many years was arguably the worst player in the league. Throw Glass out there and tell him to try and clog up shooting/passing lanes and make sure he's strong on pucks when he's trying to clear. If he does well and learns the sacred art of PKmancy, cool. If he doesn't, throw some other loser out there. Rinse and repeat as needed. /shrug

That's why you spend money on a big UFA or take bad contracts for assets. Pick a lane. The only reason they got glass was because he came with picks and maybe you can flip him if he does well. He still sucked so you let him walk. You do not resign players like that for almost the same contract. You take a risk on another player like that to get assets.

 

[Darren McCord]

"I don't care about the stats that prove my argument false"

I mean then point to the stats. I am curious as to what Glass brings that makes him remotely as good offensively to eller. (Edit Missed your post sorry)

Ill admit the Accari comp wasn't great but I dont think Glass brings much more. He has 4 more points but gets PP time and 3on3 time. He also gets time on Malkins wing

 

[Darren McCord]

1. Statistically the "Eller drove play better than Glass" is false. Neither player did anything when it came to driving offense.
2. Comparing Glass to a young Acciari is a horrendous comparison. Young Acciari's entire game was his forechecking and heavy play along the boards. That's nowhere even close to Glass's game. Glass is a bland defensive bottom-6 center.

If you want to judge them based on their JFresh cards:




Glass's analytics have jumped back more towards 2022-2023 levels this year, he's basically just what Eller was for the Penguins but with worse goal scoring.

So Eller was better at offense. Way better at scoring. With worse teammates. But he didnt drive the play better?

 

[Randy Butternubs]

I don't "love" Glass but he's perfectly fine in the bottom six. Especially at his assumed lower cap hit. Annnnd he's young which many people have been clamoring for.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

This team should absolutely graduate all of McG, Broz, Koivunen, and Pono to the big club next year and run with it. I don't expect much from any of them right off the bat, or maybe ever, but it's time to shift gears and become a development team now. See what those guys have, decide whether there's any realistic chance they become full time NHLers. Chase top picks in the draft. Sorry Sid, your meaningful hockey's just gonna have to come from playing in the 4 Nations and Olympics.

This is pretty much all that that needs to be said about him. Glass is the worse type of player to keep because of how Sullivan will use him. He reminds me of Riley Sheahan but I think Sheahan was better.

Give me a player who could be worse but also be better. I do not want these mid guys who just keep bringing the same thing. Take some risk and hope a player surprises you.



That's why you spend money on a big UFA or take bad contracts for assets. Pick a lane. The only reason they got glass was because he came with picks and maybe you can flip him if he does well. He still sucked so you let him walk. You do not resign players like that for almost the same contract. You take a risk on another player like that to get assets.

We're talking about $2M AAV here. FWIW I don't care if Glass is around or not, but I think in the past 20 posts we've all talked about Cody Glass more than people have talked about him for his entire career combined. He really doesn't matter one way or another imo.

I agree they should be using their cap to take bad contracts for draft capital and/or prospects. Not sure how much they'll be able to weaponize cap space with the cap jumping $7.5M next season. But maybe teams try to shave off every bit they can to try and snag a guy like Marner for ~$13M AAV or throw out an obscene offer sheet something. I dunno.

 

[Darren McCord]

We're talking about $2M AAV here. FWIW I don't care if Glass is around or not, but I think in the past 20 posts we've all talked about Cody Glass more than people have talked about him for his entire career combined. He really doesn't matter one way or another imo.

Fair enough. I dont care that much. I just do not understand why people want more of the same. Its awful to watch lol.

I don't "love" Glass but he's perfectly fine in the bottom six. Especially at his assumed lower cap hit. Annnnd he's young which many people have been clamoring for.

He is Heinen 2.0. Just as a center lol. Both boring players who are just fine. I am fine with one but I don't want to watch this team with 2.

Its the type of player that's not bad enough for you to actively dislike but not good enough to enjoy watching. Give me a guy who is awful or great. I just want something to complain about or be excited about.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Fair enough. I dont care that much. I just do not understand why people want more of the same. Its awful to watch lol.

It's been bad and it's only gonna get worse, dude. And that's a good thing for the health of the org, though it sucks for the fan experience. But it is what it is.

 

[Gurglesons]

I don’t mind Glass because he’s big, he actually forechecks, and actually possesses the puck. He also makes some great offensive plays.

 

[Darren McCord]

It's been bad and it's only gonna get worse, dude. And that's a good thing for the health of the org, though it sucks for the fan experience. But it is what it is.

Ya for sure but give me a bad team with at least likeable players that have personality. Guys who are trying to make it in the league not guys coasting on past success or draft spot.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Ya for sure but give me a bad team with at least likeable players that have personality. Guys who are trying to make it in the league not guys coasting on past success or draft spot.

Gonna need a new coach if you want anybody with personality or fire, man. Hell, gonna need a new coach if this team wants to try and develop younger guys anyway.

Hoping they part ways with Sully the moment the season ends but smart money's on the guy being here until Sid retires.

 

[Shady Machine]

I don’t mind Glass because he’s big, he actually forechecks, and actually possesses the puck. He also makes some great offensive plays.

Agreed but leaves you wanting so much more. You can see the potential, but dude can’t finish. With better finishers with him, he can be a solution.

 

[Andy99]

Agreed but leaves you wanting so much more. You can see the potential, but dude can’t finish. With better finishers with him, he can be a solution.

This team lacks too many finishers to employ him imo…not too many coming up from Wilkes either..but please fire the coach first lol

 

[Gurglesons]

Agreed but leaves you wanting so much more. You can see the potential, but dude can’t finish. With better finishers with him, he can be a solution.

oh yeah. he's nothing special, but if he re-signs for 1.5 mil or something i'm fine giving him another year to figure it out especially if we somehow have a different coach.