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Empoleon8771 said:
It can both be true that the Penguins were playing shit players that had no business playing in the NHL while there were also no real better alternatives in WBS. The problem there is the ironclad roster spots they got, but I think it's most likely that whoever you would have replaced Ruhwedel with from WBS would have been the same or worse.

Harkins is a completely different discussion that I genuinely cannot see any logic in. It's not like he killed penalties either, he didn't do that at all. I just don't see what he offered that got him into 45 games last year. And it's even more weird because Harkins has played in 30/43 games for the Ducks this year too while continuing to not be able to produce (1 goal and 4 points).
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Once again.

Good franchises take chances on players that could be the same or worse, but also are 23 and could potentially be better.

Chatfield in Carolina is a perfect example. He was a nobody. They gave him some time. He looked decent and he started developing.

Connor Geekie who was drafted the same year as McGroarty is another example. Tampa is integrating him into their roster because he proved he deserved a spot.

Geekie scored 2 points in his first 16 games. The Lightning still gave him a shot and played him 10-14 minutes.

This idea that the Penguins are "doing the right thing" by sending players to the AHL is moronic.

Our forward depth sucks total balls compared to the Lightning. They waived Connor Sheary to play young players.

We probably will end up taking Connor Sheary back in a trade and playing him 18 minutes a night if Sullivan has his way.
 
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Gurglesons said:
Once again.

Good franchises take chances on players that could be the same or worse, but also are 23 and could potentially be better.
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At forward I think your right, I don't agree with their defense. They didn't have any young RHD worth a damn to dump Ruhwedel for until St. Ivany came around.

My point was specifically about Ruhwedel, in that they did have crap options for a replacement RD so playing Ruhwedel was likely the correct decision.
 
Empoleon8771 said:
At forward I think your right, I don't agree with their defense. They didn't have any young RHD worth a damn to dump Ruhwedel for until St. Ivany came around.

My point was specifically about Ruhwedel, in that they did have crap options for a replacement RD so playing Ruhwedel was likely the correct decision.
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Once again. You don't know what you have until you see it. Jalen Chatfield was a nobody. Know he's playing 19 a night and got a solid deal.
 
Gurglesons said:
Once again. You don't know what you have until you see it. Jalen Chatfield was a nobody. Know he's playing 19 a night and got a solid deal.
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Okay, what defenseman were in WBS that should have been given a chance over Ruhwedel?

At forward, I agree with you. I don't agree with you on defense at all. Just saying "try something else!" means nothing when the replacement options are guys like Shea and Friedman.
 
Gurglesons said:
Weird how we are suddenly icing Owen Pickering and POJ together.
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Which they absolutely do not prefer to do and is only because their alternatives are Shea and Graves.

I'm not going to bother arguing further because I don't care enough, my point was that Ruhwedel specifically was a guy I think they didn't have a better alternative for. The guys competing for his spot were guys like Riikola, Shea (who they prefer playing on LD) and Friedman.
 
Andy99 said:
Then they would be stupid…he has no offensive hockey IQ and doesn’t get in good positions to shoot the puck or even make plays that help others…just not a top six player…they should be grooming Broz
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I could see them getting Broz some bottom 6 time next year and then getting promoted if he performs well. Again, my POV is that Glass is merely a placeholder to bridge any gaps between Geno and the next 2C (which may or may not be Broz).
 
Take it with the requisite dump truck full of salt, but Yohe says some AHL promotions aren't far off.



Specifically cites Bemstrom, Ponomarev, McGroarty, Koivunen, and Broz as impressing the front office.

Also, trades are coming. Dubas is still in sell mode, Yohe says. Petts is essentially out the door already and other vets without NTCs are also likely gone.
 
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DesertedPenguin said:
Take it with the requisite dump truck full of salt, but Yohe says some AHL promotions aren't far off.



Specifically cites Bemstrom, Ponomarev, McGroarty, Koivunen, and Broz as impressing the front office.

Also, trades are coming. Dubas is still in sell mode, Yohe says. Petts is essentially out the door already and other vets without NTCs are also likely gone.
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I wouldn't take inaction at this point as bad. We have a few guys that need to step it up a bit to gain value and at the same time, teams are accruing cap space up until the TDL.

Vets without NTCs include: Pettersson, Gryz (but I think they like him), Neds, Shea, Puljujarvi, Nieto, Acciari, Beauvillier, and DOC. You also have Glass, Tomasino, and Lizotte in there but I don't think they are sent out.

Pettersson, DOC, Nieto, Acciari, Neds, and Beauvillier out means something like:

Raks-Sid-Rust
Bunting-Malkin-Glass
McGroarty-Broz-Tomasino
Bemstrom-Lizotte-Pono

POJ-Letang
Pickering-Karlsson
Gryz-Graves-JSI

Jarry-Larsson/Blomqvist

without taking into account anyone coming back. I would actually be excited about watching that roster.
 
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SEALBound said:
I wouldn't take inaction at this point as bad. We have a few guys that need to step it up a bit to gain value and at the same time, teams are accruing cap space up until the TDL.

Vets without NTCs include: Pettersson, Gryz (but I think they like him), Neds, Shea, Puljujarvi, Nieto, Acciari, Beauvillier, and DOC. You also have Glass, Tomasino, and Lizotte in there but I don't think they are sent out.

Pettersson, DOC, Nieto, Acciari, Neds, and Beauvillier out means something like:

Raks-Sid-Rust
Bunting-Malkin-Glass
McGroarty-Broz-Tomasino
Bemstrom-Lizotte-Pono

POJ-Letang
Pickering-Karlsson
Gryz-Graves-JSI

Jarry-Larsson/Blomqvist

without taking into account anyone coming back. I would actually be excited about watching that roster.
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Acciari has a 8 team ntc.

:huh:
 
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SEALBound said:
I could see them getting Broz some bottom 6 time next year and then getting promoted if he performs well. Again, my POV is that Glass is merely a placeholder to bridge any gaps between Geno and the next 2C (which may or may not be Broz).
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Since hes only at 29 pro games and probably ends with around 80, I would start Broz as 1C in Wilkes and make him the call up if Sid/G are out. McG-Broz-Koivu together as L1 in WBS. I would trade DOC this year, and use his spot to rotate in a couple WBS guys to see their progress. Sullivan and the Pens "mutually" part ways, and we start integrating the youth into the lineup. Acciari is traded at the draft, hopefully Glass would come back cheaper after we dont qualify him.

To start next year:
Rakell-Sid-Rust
Bunting-Malkin-Tomasino
Pono-Hallander-Glass
Gruden-Lizotte-Poulin
Hayes

Bunting is gone at the deadline, Malkin leaves at years end, McG-Broz-Koiv moves up.
 
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PensFutures said:
Since hes only at 29 pro games and probably ends with around 80, I would start Broz as 1C in Wilkes to start the year, and make him the call up if Sid/G are out. McG-Broz-Koivu together as L1 in WBS. I would trade DOC this year, and use his spot to rotate in a couple WBS guys to see their progress. Sullivan and the Pens "mutually" part ways, and we start integrating the youth into the lineup. Acciari is traded at the draft, hopefully Glass would come back cheaper after we dont qualify him.

To start next year:
Rakell-Sid-Rust
Bunting-Malkin-Tomasino
Pono-Hallander-Glass
Gruden-Lizotte-Poulin
Hayes

Bunting is gone at the deadline, Malkin leaves at years end, McG-Broz-Koiv moves up.
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I'm glad you remembered Hallander. I'm really curious to see where he slots in. I'd have to go back and look to see if he needs waivers or not. If he doesn't, it might be beneficial for him to be on a top line in WBS as well to get the feel of NA again. Not sure I see them slotting him in at 3C right away but that is something I would shoot for. But that said, any player on that 3rd line there could be a center.
 
SEALBound said:
I'm glad you remembered Hallander. I'm really curious to see where he slots in. I'd have to go back and look to see if he needs waivers or not. If he doesn't, it might be beneficial for him to be on a top line in WBS as well to get the feel of NA again. Not sure I see them slotting him in at 3C right away but that is something I would shoot for. But that said, any player on that 3rd line there could be a center.
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No clue how the waivers work with his situation. The only issue is I feel like if we put him in WBS he will just opt out back to Sweden, which is why I started him as 3C. Give him a look and if he doesnt cut it he goes back home. Lizotte moves up, Hayes to 4C.
 
SEALBound said:
I wouldn't take inaction at this point as bad. We have a few guys that need to step it up a bit to gain value and at the same time, teams are accruing cap space up until the TDL.

Vets without NTCs include: Pettersson, Gryz (but I think they like him), Neds, Shea, Puljujarvi, Nieto, Acciari, Beauvillier, and DOC. You also have Glass, Tomasino, and Lizotte in there but I don't think they are sent out.

Pettersson, DOC, Nieto, Acciari, Neds, and Beauvillier out means something like:

Raks-Sid-Rust
Bunting-Malkin-Glass
McGroarty-Broz-Tomasino
Bemstrom-Lizotte-Pono

POJ-Letang
Pickering-Karlsson
Gryz-Graves-JSI

Jarry-Larsson/Blomqvist

without taking into account anyone coming back. I would actually be excited about watching that roster.
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I will say I don't think everyone comes up at the same time.

I think McGroarty and Broz, who have the least professional experience, might stay down the longest, though I think it's very possible we'll see them in some capacity before the end of the year. Broz has been out of the lineup for a few games now, too.

I have a feeling Bemstrom, Ponomarev, and Poulin will replace Beauvillier, Acciari, and Nieto whenever those players are moved out (in Nieto's case, it might just be waivers to the AHL). I think Koivunen, McGroarty, and Broz would come up if they move DOC and/or another top nine player.

You might see something like this at first:
Rakell-Crosby-Rust
Bunting-Malkin-Tomasino
DOC-Glass/Hayes-Bemstrom
Ponomarev-Lizotte-Poulin
Hayes/Glass

They might give those guys some run and if they falter, if the Pens move out DOC, or even if they make a bigger splash by trading someone like Rakell, then you'll see the higher skilled guys get a look.
 
That's fair. Honestly, I can see Bemstrom having a relatively short leash. Pretty well-established AAAA player. I think if he comes up, it's produce or else. I can't see them being all that patient with him, especially if there's someone else looking to get time.
 
SEALBound said:
That's fair. Honestly, I can see Bemstrom having a relatively short leash. Pretty well-established AAAA player. I think if he comes up, it's produce or else. I can't see them being all that patient with him, especially if there's someone else looking to get time.
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Exactly. He's played well enough to earn a call-up in the near future, but he's 25 and has had multiple looks at the NHL previously. He's just a year younger than DOC, by comparison. Odds are he's a classic player who does well in the AHL but can't hit that production in the NHL, but he'll get a look to see what happens.
 
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DesertedPenguin said:
Take it with the requisite dump truck full of salt, but Yohe says some AHL promotions aren't far off.



Specifically cites Bemstrom, Ponomarev, McGroarty, Koivunen, and Broz as impressing the front office.

Also, trades are coming. Dubas is still in sell mode, Yohe says. Petts is essentially out the door already and other vets without NTCs are also likely gone.
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“Prospect pool is much, much healthier.” I guess. We went from like 32 to 25 maybe.
 
eXile3 said:
“Prospect pool is much, much healthier.” I guess. We went from like 32 to 25 maybe.
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Scott Wheeler of the Athletic had them ranked 27th in 2024, 29th in 2023, 29th in 2022, 29th in 2021, 28th in 2020.

So, progress to be 25th or better. But obviously they'd need some top end talent to truly improve.
 
DesertedPenguin said:
Take it with the requisite dump truck full of salt, but Yohe says some AHL promotions aren't far off.



Specifically cites Bemstrom, Ponomarev, McGroarty, Koivunen, and Broz as impressing the front office.

Also, trades are coming. Dubas is still in sell mode, Yohe says. Petts is essentially out the door already and other vets without NTCs are also likely gone.
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Ill take the dump truck please.

Highly doubt they trade anything major (Petts) as long as we are hanging around the wildcard spot.
 
DesertedPenguin said:
Take it with the requisite dump truck full of salt, but Yohe says some AHL promotions aren't far off.



Specifically cites Bemstrom, Ponomarev, McGroarty, Koivunen, and Broz as impressing the front office.

Also, trades are coming. Dubas is still in sell mode, Yohe says. Petts is essentially out the door already and other vets without NTCs are also likely gone.
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this is how it should be, but is it? I'll check in with jaded to find out.
 
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