Boston Bruins 24-25 Roster/Cap thread XVIII ( if trades occur use specific trade thread)

[quietbruinfan]

Rantanen is quite individually talented but not a line driver. He is definitely not the type on whom you spend most your resources when starting a deep rebuild. He is a very talented but complimentary winger. We need Quicker d with better offensive ability, centers and a goalie other than Swayman first.
Marner is a maybe. I would prefer a better all-around center, but his playmaking would be very helpful.

 

[LouJersey]

I mean at these prices
other teams are getting back you have to make deals like Coyle, Carlo and Marchand (if healthy)... You free up the money and get real assets to use for yourself or to trade for better players in the summer.

 

[JCRO]

I don't know that Boston is that team though. He was playing with one of the NHL's best players in MacKinnon, but turned down $12.5 million a year. He goes to Carolina and his production falls off the table. Carolina though has some good talent there and is competitive year after year. I'm just not sure what Boston has to offer that would be attractive to Rantanen.....unless they're going to pay him the $14 million a year he reporetly wants.

Also, and I saw your other posts above with someone mentioning Center, isnt he a mostly full-time left shot RW ? I havent watched him much.

Call it overly simplistic of me but: Pasta is also RW. Whose Rantanen going to play with here then? Is he going to sign here to play with the corpse of what was Elias Lindholm?

Folks of that caliber I would have to think would only be enticed to come play in Boston if it means they are playing with Pasta. Unless Boston wins a bidding war on him. Which I personally dont want to see that.

 

[LouJersey]

It's disingenuous/gaslighting to say those signings were bad at the time

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[Hookslide]

WHY !!!!

 

[AngryMilkcrates]

A thread on the main board said we signed Tyler Pitlick to a two-way contract

Excellent....
I hope its to cover a soon open spot on our D

 

[DKH]

Might not be Marner's decision if the Leafs decide to walk away from him and give his money to Rantanen this summer.

If the Leafs don't have some playoff success, decent chance they decide to no longer just run it back with Matthews/Marner/Nylander as the big 3 up front.

We will see - I’m GM I’m a Marner guy but maybe he wants to play here like everyone else

 

[GatorMike]

It's disingenuous/gaslighting to say those signings were bad at the time

It's disingenuous/gaslighting to pretend that there weren't serious questions about both deals at the time they were signed.

BRUINS GDT Post in thread 'Free Agent Frenzy - July 1 NOON (ET) - ESPN+, TSN, SN'

Jul 1, 2024

I'm kind of an optimist by nature. I don't really like to dwell in negativity. However...

My gut is telling me that four or five years from now, we'll look back at the events of the past few days as the point in time where things took a dramatic turn for the worse.

I think the Lindholm deal carries a significant amount of risk.

I hated taking back Korpisalo in the Ullmark trade.

I detest the Zadorov deal.

For a long time, I thought that Don Sweeney's best attribute has been his cap management. And in the last 96 hourse, he's added three long-term, high risk deals to his books...

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[bp14]

Elias Lindholm obviously wasn’t a good signing from a value standpoint, but I’d defend Sweeney only in that he didn’t have much choice. He clearly has no other bona fide 1/2 center on the roster or in the pipeline and this guy was available for only money. He’d have gotten killed if he didn’t make a solid offer.

Now as for his performance here so far? He sucks. Clearly underperforming. However, I think he’s likely to get a bit better as he acclimates, and with a rising cap he won’t look terrible because as much as he’s far from a force offensively, he’s useful.

I guess the trick is not to get to the point as an organization where you need to pay above average talent top of the market prices.

 

[DKH]

I think he tests free agency

I’m all for making the Leafs weaker

I’m SJ I am coming hard after him if he gets there

 

[DiggityDog]

With the prices the way they are right now there is no reason to keep Coyle. Zero. Whether it’s now, or after the season ends.

At worst you have Zacha, Lindholm, Poitras as your 123 next season. Obviously that should be addressed and potentially altered, but it’s there right now.

Move Coyle, get a decent package, use his money to address wing in free agency. I would make this move first over trading Geekie and Carlo.

 

[Hookslide]

Actually thats no longer true.
Massachusetts enacted a millionaire tax last year. Bringing STATE income tax alone to 11% for these guys. Its one of the highest in the nation and a factor.

And it will not end there.

 

[DiggityDog]

Elias Lindholm obviously wasn’t a good signing from a value standpoint, but I’d defend Sweeney only in that he didn’t have much choice. He clearly has no other bona fide 1/2 center on the roster or in the pipeline and this guy was available for only money. He’d have gotten killed if he didn’t make a solid offer.

Now as for his performance here so far? He sucks. Clearly underperforming. However, I think he’s likely to get a bit better as he acclimates, and with a rising cap he won’t look terrible because as much as he’s far from a force offensively, he’s useful.

I guess the trick is not to get to the point as an organization where you need to pay above average talent top of the market prices.

I’m of the opinion that he will bounce back next year. I’m not saying he will turn into a star or reach his career highs again, but I think getting healthy over the offseason and a training camp that isn’t run by someone with one foot out the door will be a big difference. I personally think he could still be a good second line center with 50+ point potential.

I would be lying if I denied he has been a significant disappointment, and I was someone who wanted him. I haven’t given up on him yet though. If he comes out next season and shits the bed I will accept that I was completely wrong about him.

This a massive off-season for almost everyone associated with the black and gold.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

It's disingenuous/gaslighting to say those signings were bad at the time

What if you said it before they signed?

Is it “gaslighting” to have been right from the start?

 

[NDiesel]

Nope. I want the boatload of assets plus not having him gets me a BETTER pick. Again, I am not actively looking to deal him, but what happens if you get an offer of young franchise type C, young franchise type winger and a couple 1's? Would have to be an offer I couldn't refuse.

The Oilers won without Gretzky. More recently I can't even think of a player Pasta's stature so guessing we would have to go way back.

The worst place to be is hovering around the 8-11 seed every year. That's where this team could possibly be headed? Again, no issue with keeping Pasta, McAvoy and Swayman and building around them but where you gonna build from?

When I looked through the Oilers history I swore that it said they haven't won since the season Gretz left, my bad though.

I guess Tkachuk moving recently is one, even if it was forced.

I mean if you get the right pieces that's fantastic and definitely a conversation worth having.

Those are some nice pieces, but none of them is a guaranteed to be a point per game player let alone half the player Pasta is (unless you mean an established player by 'young franchise type' C or winger), so you take the risk that your rebuild is about to be extended by a more than a few years if things don't pan out.

Maybe I'm just a bit gun shy because the last two times this franchise moved on from star forwards, the returns ended up being awful and we spent the following years praying for guys of that caliber to be on our team.

As for where you're going to build from keeping those 3 guys - start with trading what you can this deadline. You can move those assets to build around those guys, or you can use them and wait for them to develop. Starting with trading Coyle, Carlo and Marchand, I think you have a pretty good pool of assets to use to build around those without a total teardown. Most of their issues are solved by getting proper top 6 help and slotting everyone back down where they belong.

 

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[BruinDust]

Elias Lindholm obviously wasn’t a good signing from a value standpoint, but I’d defend Sweeney only in that he didn’t have much choice. He clearly has no other bona fide 1/2 center on the roster or in the pipeline and this guy was available for only money.

He had plenty of choices. Sweeney said it himself, him and his staff (managers/scouts) salivated over this player for two years. They wanted him likely more than any other franchise.

Makes you really question their player evaluation when their were posters here who raised concerns about acquiring Elias Lindholm long before he ever signed here, but the Bruins management just loved this player and had to have him on their roster.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

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Stop gaslighting us.

Everyone knew they were the perfect contracts at the time. Easy to criticize with the benefit of 24 hours of hindsight.

 

[DKH]

Couple of thoughts

The Nashville game ‘should’ be the most important/meaningful game of the season

I went and had a center ice view and it was apparent within 5 minutes the Bruins didn’t belong on the ice with the vaunted Preds even when it was 3-3.

But it was a sign or gift to Donny- deal. Even without their two oft-injured defensemen and soon-to-be 37 years old Captain they were slow, lacked both energy and skill. This is a bottom 3 team.

They have at least 3 players very useful players with term who are well thought who can return a first + on everyone of them preferably 2026 but extra picks or prospects

Sellers market & good players with term are gold

As for Brad I want him here next season but if he’s not signed tomorrow he’s going - they can negotiate a return in the summer

I keep reading how it will look ??????

Really, did you look at the way they played Tuesday

They could deal 3 or 4 and load up over next 15 months with picks and a few good prospects

Also if you have the AHL app or go to games Pitlock has been very good, apparently a leader and mentor as a former regular NHL and they are very impressed with the person and player and want to keep him in the organization

 

[Knight]

What if you said it before they signed?

Is it “gaslighting” to have been right from the start?

I'm saying the overall fanbase/media sentiment was more positive than negative. Of course you can highlight individual opinions that say otherwise, and those takes are totally valid and of course not gaslighting.

 

[Sevendust]

It's disingenuous/gaslighting to pretend that there weren't serious questions about both deals at the time they were signed.

BRUINS GDT Post in thread 'Free Agent Frenzy - July 1 NOON (ET) - ESPN+, TSN, SN'

Jul 1, 2024

I'm kind of an optimist by nature. I don't really like to dwell in negativity. However...

My gut is telling me that four or five years from now, we'll look back at the events of the past few days as the point in time where things took a dramatic turn for the worse.

I think the Lindholm deal carries a significant amount of risk.

I hated taking back Korpisalo in the Ullmark trade.

I detest the Zadorov deal.

For a long time, I thought that Don Sweeney's best attribute has been his cap management. And in the last 96 hourse, he's added three long-term, high risk deals to his books...

• GatorMike

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Donny with smartest guy in the room syndrom again. He didn´t learn from his Beleskey and Backes mistakes.

 

[JCRO]

 

[DKH]

A thread on the main board said we signed Tyler Pitlick to a two-way contract

All about what he is providing in Providence on and off Ice

Very smart move

I wonder if he has coaching in his future ? Family is pretty good at hockey

 

[GatorMike]

 

[JCRO]