Boston Bruins 24-25 Roster/Cap thread XVIII ( if trades occur use specific trade thread)

[DKH]

They both play RW.

Marner not coming here - he’s already said he wants to be a Leafs for life

 

[quietbruinfan]

The beauty of Pasta is that he's so good you don't need to completely overhaul the entire team/supporting cast to get back into the playoffs. Adding a couple of pieces of real talent (like a Rantanen, Marner, etc.) using the ample upcoming cap space can have the Bruins back in the playoffs quickly - next year, even. Trading Pasta will ensure a long playoff drought.

I have seen this ride your horses to death philosophy for basically 40 of my 50 years as a fan,. That is not the way to build. You keep Pasta because he is a borderline generational player, but you don't ride him to death or assume he should carry other players.

 

[NDiesel]

Depreciating in the sense that, as @LouJersey points out, if you’re looking at a 3 year playoff absence (for example) then his depreciation is a function of the overall team vs him as an individual contributor

Ah okay I see. I don't see this team missing the next 3 years in the playoffs (unless they trade Pasta), which is why my stance is we are better off trying to retool around him rather than hoping to find a superstar to replace him in the future. I get why you brought up trading him in the first place, it certainly isn't crazy, just don't think I can get on board with it though.

 

[Kegs]

If I'm Carolina and I'm moving Rantanen, I'd look to a team like Boston, won't face them in the playoffs and get 2-3 pieces in exchange.

Carlo + Coyle + Lysell for a signed Rantenan?

Being able to toss out Pasta then Rantenan as your 1A/1B RW combo for the next 5 years is enticing.

Why? If you were one of the best teams in the league why would you want to trade away an elite player before the playoffs? Is Carolina not trying to win the cup.

Necas for coyle Carlo and lysell? Ha. Ya right.

 

[Sheppy]

Marner not coming here - he’s already said he wants to be a Leafs for life

I think he tests free agency

 

[Knight]

I have seen this ride your horses to death philosophy for basically 40 of my 50 years as a fan,. That is not the way to build. You keep Pasta because he is a borderline generational player, but you don't ride him to death or assume he should carry other players.

I agree, that's what we're doing right now as he's a league leader in points dragging this corpse of a team behind him. He needs help for sure.

 

[NDiesel]

Yeah I agree. Would have to be a great deal of course and let’s not pretend better players haven’t been dealt before. It all comes down to the Bruins can miss the playoffs without him as well so depending on the teams direction it has to be considered if someone bowls you over.

Let's say we are in a world where we miss the playoffs the next 3 years with or without Pasta. Wouldn't you rather do it with him so that you not only have a lottery pick, but you still have your elite winger to build around? I'm just having troubles seeing how in the short, medium and long-term it would be in our best interest to move on.

Out of all of these better players who were moved, that you mention how many times does it actually benefit the team more in the long run? Like how successful were the Oilers after moving Gretz? I'm trying to think of a recent example of a superstar moving teams where the team moving them ended up in a better spot and I'm coming up with blanks.

 

[Gee Wally]

Boston isn't at the absolute top of the list, but it's above average for sure. The taxes compared to other regions are average as well, saying they're so high as to be a major deterrent is fake news.

Actually thats no longer true.
Massachusetts enacted a millionaire tax last year. Bringing STATE income tax alone to 11% for these guys. Its one of the highest in the nation and a factor.

 

[BruinDust]

Marner not coming here - he’s already said he wants to be a Leafs for life

Might not be Marner's decision if the Leafs decide to walk away from him and give his money to Rantanen this summer.

If the Leafs don't have some playoff success, decent chance they decide to no longer just run it back with Matthews/Marner/Nylander as the big 3 up front.

 

[Deal Law]

Actually thats no longer true.
Massachusetts enacted a millionaire tax last year. Bringing STATE income tax alone to 11% for these guys. Its one of the highest in the nation and a factor.

There was also a $10,000 limitation placed on the state and local tax deduction for federal income tax purposes back in 2017. It sunsets in 2025, but would be a major contributing factor for high-earners in choosing MA.

 

[RoccoF14]

Might not be Marner's decision if the Leafs decide to walk away from him and give his money to Rantanen this summer.

If the Leafs don't have some playoff success, decent chance they decide to no longer just run it back with Matthews/Marner/Nylander as the big 3 up front.

Good point. I still think the chances of Marner being a Bruin is .000001%, but I could see a scenario where Toronto lets him walk.

I'm REALLY hoping Toronto wins the Atlantic and gets the Rangers in Round 1 in that #2-7 matchup. I think the Rangers will give them fits.

 

[McGarnagle]

Bruins have a losing culture already and people are talking about bringing in Mitch Marner?

 

[ON3M4N]

Pagnotta saying Rantanen is open to a sign and trade

I don't know that Boston is that team though. He was playing with one of the NHL's best players in MacKinnon, but turned down $12.5 million a year. He goes to Carolina and his production falls off the table. Carolina though has some good talent there and is competitive year after year. I'm just not sure what Boston has to offer that would be attractive to Rantanen.....unless they're going to pay him the $14 million a year he reporetly wants.

 

[Knight]

Actually thats no longer true.
Massachusetts enacted a millionaire tax last year. Bringing STATE income tax alone to 11% for these guys. Its one of the highest in the nation and a factor.

A factor? Sure. A major factor? Doubtful.

Even with that Boston isn't at the top of the list of tax disadvantaged teams. The millionaire tax hasn't been prohibitive either in its limited existence - Sweeney snagged two of the top free agents just this off season when we finally had cap to spend.

 

[BruinDust]

Good point. I still think the chances of Marner being a Bruin is .000001%, but I could see a scenario where Toronto moves him.

I'm REALLY hoping Toronto wins the Atlantic and gets the Rangers in Round 1 in that #2-7 matchup. I think the Rangers will give them fits.

I think the Leafs are in for a tough 1st round no matter how they slice it.

If they don't win the division, they'll face whichever one of TB or Florida fail to nab 1st place. How close are these 3 teams? Toronto is 7th, Florida 8th, TB 9th in pts. % since Jan. 1.

If they do win the division, good chance they'll face one of Detroit/NYR/Columbus who are 4th/5th/6th in pts. % since January 1st respectively. Heck the Islanders are 10th in that timeframe and could sneak in. Montreal is 12th. Ottawa are probably Toronto's best match-up but they seem to be the one team (well along with Boston) trending more downward in the 2nd half. Lots of injuries in Ottawa.

 

[Gee Wally]

A factor? Sure. A major factor? Doubtful.

Even with that Boston isn't at the top of the list of tax disadvantaged teams. The millionaire tax hasn't been prohibitive either in its limited existence - Sweeney snagged two of the top free agents just this off season when we finally had cap to spend.

You have to spend more to offset it. Its all about the money.

 

[PB37]

Rantanen pushing the play on the 2nd line like Pasta does for the 1st would go a long ways in fixing Boston's lackluster offense.

 

[Sheppy]

I don't see the Bruins doing much if anything tomorrow, unfortunately.

 

[Bruin4]

I don't know that Boston is that team though. He was playing with one of the NHL's best players in MacKinnon, but turned down $12.5 million a year. He goes to Carolina and his production falls off the table. Carolina though has some good talent there and is competitive year after year. I'm just not sure what Boston has to offer that would be attractive to Rantanen.....unless they're going to pay him the $14 million a year he reporetly wants.

If they could sign him Id be all for it though, but at a reasonable rate. I'd dangle Swayman out there as part of a package.,

 

[GatorMike]

A factor? Sure. A major factor? Doubtful.

Even with that Boston isn't at the top of the list of tax disadvantaged teams. The millionaire tax hasn't been prohibitive either in its limited existence - Sweeney snagged two of the top free agents just this off season when we finally had cap to spend.

Yeah, and all he had to do was give Elias Lindholm $55 million and Nikita Zadorov $30 million.

No disadvantage at all, I tell ya.

 

[LouJersey]

Let's say we are in a world where we miss the playoffs the next 3 years with or without Pasta. Wouldn't you rather do it with him so that you not only have a lottery pick, but you still have your elite winger to build around? I'm just having troubles seeing how in the short, medium and long-term it would be in our best interest to move on.

Out of all of these better players who were moved, that you mention how many times does it actually benefit the team more in the long run? Like how successful were the Oilers after moving Gretz? I'm trying to think of a recent example of a superstar moving teams where the team moving them ended up in a better spot and I'm coming up with blanks.

Nope. I want the boatload of assets plus not having him gets me a BETTER pick. Again, I am not actively looking to deal him, but what happens if you get an offer of young franchise type C, young franchise type winger and a couple 1's? Would have to be an offer I couldn't refuse.

The Oilers won without Gretzky. More recently I can't even think of a player Pasta's stature so guessing we would have to go way back.

The worst place to be is hovering around the 8-11 seed every year. That's where this team could possibly be headed? Again, no issue with keeping Pasta, McAvoy and Swayman and building around them but where you gonna build from?

 

[KOZ37]

I don't see the Bruins doing much if anything tomorrow, unfortunately.

Let's hope it is because they did so much today

 

[McGarnagle]

A thread on the main board said we signed Tyler Pitlick to a two-way contract

 

[Bruinfanatic]

I don't see the Bruins doing much if anything tomorrow, unfortunately.

If a good chance Sweeney will be gone if they don’t make the playoffs,do we really want him making to many deals.

 

[Knight]

Yeah, and all he had to do was give Elias Lindholm $55 million and Nikita Zadorov $30 million.

No disadvantage at all, I tell ya.

It's disingenuous/gaslighting to say those signings were bad at the time